How can people scrutinize Cottos people then do the same for Floyds!

[V.WEBB]

Anyone asking for a 30 day cut off is refusing to be tested PERIOD. You're smarter then that Getsum.

This is so true Dom... How can anyone following this whole deal overlook that?that was very odd and it didnt help him... AT ALL!

[PensionKiller]

There are no good arguments as to why he moved up so strongly. Unless we're all willing to admit he's that special.

The argument for me is, he has to rehydrate a lot less.

From 130 he was rehydrating to something like 14 lbs. Water weight. He is still around 144 in the ring.

From 144 he goes to 149. That's only 5lbs rehydration and he keeps more muscle since he isn't going down so much.

I don't know if you have been ill or lost a lot of weight, but I have and losing that much does make me feel weaker.

So by him not having to lose so much weight, he can take a better punch, similar to Cotto from 140 to 147. He also has more muscle ll round, from his calfs, thighs, arms and back. You noted his back is bigger VS Cotto. These muscles can help create more power.

Do you agree or disagree?

[oc9979]

Read the rest of my post and try again.

1.Actually it is regulated by the NSAC.
2.What shouldn't happen is boxers thinking they have the right to regulate the sport themselves.
3. If they have a problem start a petition for better testing in the sport or 4. something don't refuse to fight the first legitimate challenge to your 0 unless your demands are met.

1. Urine test is regulated by NSAC.
2. Pacquiao shouldn't ask for catchweight. Making weight limits.
3. The fight is for March 13, 2010. How long do you think a petition is going to take?
4. Refuse?? Pacquiao is refusing to the fight by not agreeing to the test.

[Biolink]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't the Olympic Style Drug Testing something originally written into the list of demands?

If so then its not like they came out with this Drug Testing stuff out of the blue, during negotiations.

[Doctor_Tenma]

The argument for me is, he has to rehydrate a lot less.

From 130 he was rehydrating to something like 14 lbs. Water weight. He is still around 144 in the ring.

From 144 he goes to 149. That's only 5lbs rehydration and he keeps more muscle since he isn't going down so much.

I don't know if you have been ill or lost a lot of weight, but I have and losing that much does make me feel weaker.

So by him not having to lose so much weight, he can take a better punch, similar to Cotto from 140 to 147. He also has more muscle ll round, from his calfs, thighs, arms and back. You noted his back is bigger VS Cotto. These muscles can help create more power.

Do you agree or disagree?

The Cotto comparison isn't a good one because Cotto was weight drained at 140 and couldn't take much of a punch. Of course he was gonna be much stronger overall at 147. Where as Pacquiao was good at 130, I don't buy into the whole weight drained thing.

[PensionKiller]

1. Urine test is regulated by NSAC.
2. Pacquiao shouldn't ask for catchweight. Making weight limits.
3. The fight is for March 13, 2010. How long do you think a petition is going to take?
4. Refuse?? Pacquiao is refusing to the fight by not agreeing to the test.

1. I dunno about that
2. Catch weights happened before Pacquiao actually... Plus it's in the weight limit.
3. I have no idea what peition, I didn't read the previous post.
4. Mayweather is to blame aswell. If he didn't mention ask, the fight would happen. You can't blame it al on Pacquaio.

[AKATheMack]

1. Urine test is regulated by NSAC.
2. Pacquiao shouldn't ask for catchweight. Making weight limits.
3. The fight is for March 13, 2010. How long do you think a petition is going to take?
4. Refuse?? Pacquiao is refusing to the fight by not agreeing to the test.

1. I cant add to that.
2. I was wholeheartedly against Manny asking for a catchweight in the Cotto bout. I feel he had absolutely no right to do so and I believe it was wrong. I also dont understand the addition of this comment or why its relevant.
3. If Mayweather was so concerned by the commissions inadequate testing maybe he should have been trying to change the rules before he had a legitimate challenge.
4. Pac is refusing the fight by not taking the test. Mayweather is ALSO refusing by requiring additional testing.

[Dondi33O]

You are the one who used Football tardo.

I used Bret Favre Who by the way is an individual ...he is not fooball

[sleighty]

regardless of timing and whether floyd or pacman are at fault, Drug testing in boxing needs an overhaul, that way nobody could use it as a excuse to duck a fight. At the end of the day the fans are the ones who have lost out all because of questionable drug testing in boxing. There must be loopholes and ways of beating the system otherwise why would this become such an issue so quick?

[PensionKiller]

The Cotto comparison isn't a good one because Cotto was weight drained at 140 and couldn't take much of a punch. Of course he was gonna be much stronger overall at 147. Where as Pacquiao was good at 130, I don't buy into the whole weight drained thing.

My question is, will a still muscular guy at 144 and rehydrating only 5 lbs be stronger than a guy at 130 rehydrating to 144 or so?

I believe a guy who has 13 lbs of water weight in him is not as strong as a guy who only went up by 5 and clearly was muscular and stronger.

He faced a guy who didn't have much advantages over him in reach and height.
He is faster and ofcourse if you don't have to get down so much, then you retain more muscle.

Cotto was indeed weight drained, and I beleive he was in the lower weights. He was good, but he also got buzzed, dropped and even KO in the lower weights.

The sign I use to see if he was weight drained? His body was extremely toned up at the lower weights. He even looks lighter in skin colour which I look at, but isn't 100% proof may I note.

For example Oscar at 147 aafter years of not fighting at that weight.



Oscar looking healthier to me at the mayweather weigh in



Pac Barrera 2 it looks like. He looks thin to me



His body here look a lot more natural



At 144, he clearly looks healthier and has a bigger back, shoulder, neck etc

Personally I think he was always weight drained by going up 13 lbs. That's a lot of weight for a small guy. 10% of his weight infact when he made 130 or whatever.

5 lbs of 144 is a lot less than 10%, it is infact only 3%

If you don't believe he was, then that's up to you.

I believe he had a remarkabl;e ability to lose weight, and always worked hard for it. Freddie has even mentinoed that there's less time trying to make weight which means less worry.

He has been lighter than the weight limit in his last 3 and maybe the diaz fight too which is obviously comfortable. Remember Pac lost to morales 1 and looked weak VS some opponents.