A typical Duck move

[overlordbox]

It isnt enough because it is a faulty testing procedure. All this according to leading experts, CEO of USADA and CEO of BALCO.

you mean urine testing right? but manny agreed to give a blood test right after the fight? isn't that great?

and what mayweather demands has never ever EVER been done before olympics or not!

[fugu]

at first the right thing i would do is not ask her to show me her thigh,
i will ask her to be honest with me and tell me if she is cheating on me, but then again how would i know if she's lying? I can't demand her to show me her thigh because that would be respectfully wrong and we aren't married yet so i can't do that. The best thing i'd do if i can't fill my doubts is i'd just dump her. **** it there's a lot of fish in the sea

**** "respect". Would you agree it is fishy if she wont show you her thigh?

That is what pacquiao wont do. He wont show us his ****ing "thigh".

[overlordbox]

HBO's ringside judge Harold Lederman, a veteran figure in boxing and somebody who has seen pretty much all of Pacquiao's fights in Las Vegas said he did not see any indication in Pacquiao's body, stature and any reason whatsoever to believe Pacquiao is taking any illegal drug. In an appearance at The Boxing Truth radio show two weeks ago, Lederman said,
"I can't see him using any form of performance enhancing drugs to get where he's at. Listen, anything is possible but really, I highly really doubt it. Nobody's ever said a word about it and he just doesn't seem to be like a guy that's cut like a guy that's on steroids."



and also said,

"You can't get away with that (steroids) in Vegas. I just don't see how you could. Vegas tests you before the fight. Vegas tests you after the fight. And I believe right now the test is for 30 steroids. The technology is getting too good, you can't fool them anymore you know, i guess unless you stop taking the steroids weeks before the fight nad it's all out your system, I don't know. In all honesty I just don't think that he's using anything. He's done it on his own with hard work and good training and excellent technique and all the other things that we see."

We are talking about an objective veteran observer of the sport here. So you choose who to believe. Mayweather Sr., Floyd Jr.'s dad and the trainer of someone Pacquiao just knocked out a few months ago and a former convicted drug dealer, or Lederman who is not part of any camp and is simply a first-hand observer who has seen things up-close through the years.

[fugu]

you mean urine testing right? but manny agreed to give a blood test right after the fight? isn't that great?

and what mayweather demands has never ever EVER been done before olympics or not!

Blood testing is worthless unless it is random. So is all these tests.
Read the article with BALCO CEO. It was posted in a popular thread around here.

Just because something has never been done, does that mean we cant improve the sport of boxing?

[overlordbox]

here's a fact

Note: You have to understand that Golden Boy Promotion's Press release was written according to their design and was intended to sway the public's opinion to what they want them to think. Pacquiao never said personally that he was afraid of needles and matter of fact he is not. He did not disagree about having his blood taken, he just refused to do it near the fight itself. Accordingly, he agreed to even have his blood taken immediately after the fight. What drug can they not find 48 seconds after the fight that they can 48 hours before it? Pacquiao had submitted to physicals in the past wherein his blood was taken, most recently during his training camp for Ricky Hatton. Pacquiao has always passed all kinds of tests with flying colors. Also, contrary to what Paulie Malignaggi said that Pacquiao didn't use to knock out opponents in the past, well, that's just ignorant because Pacquiao did knock people out. Again, for those who do not have a clue, do some research. For starters, Pacquiao knocked out Barrera, Morales, Solis, Lucero, Julio, Ledwaba etc. etc.

[fugu]

nevermind missread.

[Chuckguy]

HBO's ringside judge Harold Lederman, a veteran figure in boxing and somebody who has seen pretty much all of Pacquiao's fights in Las Vegas said he did not see any indication in Pacquiao's body, stature and any reason whatsoever to believe Pacquiao is taking any illegal drug. In an appearance at The Boxing Truth radio show two weeks ago, Lederman said,
"I can't see him using any form of performance enhancing drugs to get where he's at. Listen, anything is possible but really, I highly really doubt it. Nobody's ever said a word about it and he just doesn't seem to be like a guy that's cut like a guy that's on steroids."



and also said,

"You can't get away with that (steroids) in Vegas. I just don't see how you could. Vegas tests you before the fight. Vegas tests you after the fight. And I believe right now the test is for 30 steroids. The technology is getting too good, you can't fool them anymore you know, i guess unless you stop taking the steroids weeks before the fight nad it's all out your system, I don't know. In all honesty I just don't think that he's using anything. He's done it on his own with hard work and good training and excellent technique and all the other things that we see."

We are talking about an objective veteran observer of the sport here. So you choose who to believe. Mayweather Sr., Floyd Jr.'s dad and the trainer of someone Pacquiao just knocked out a few months ago and a former convicted drug dealer, or Lederman who is not part of any camp and is simply a first-hand observer who has seen things up-close through the years.

Good read good post but there is a huge difference between Steroids and PEDS and EPOS
I guarantee that manny is not on roids but peds maybe

[overlordbox]

**** "respect". Would you agree it is fishy if she wont show you her thigh?

That is what pacquiao wont do. He wont show us his ****ing "thigh".

"Would you agree it is fishy if she wont show you her thigh?"
a little bit, yes! but that's not enough proof that she did had sex last night

who know maybe she just don't wanna show me, or maybe she's got a ring worm

[fugu]

well, that's just ignorant because Pacquiao did knock people out. Again, for those who do not have a clue, do some research. For starters, Pacquiao knocked out Barrera, Morales, Solis, Lucero, Julio, Ledwaba etc. etc.

It is a big difference between TKO/KO flyweights compared to welterweights.

[fugu]

"Would you agree it is fishy if she wont show you her thigh?"
a little bit, yes! but that's not enough proof that she did had sex last night

who know maybe she just don't wanna show me, or maybe she's got a ring worm

Noone is saying it is proven without a doubt Pacquiao is cheating. But theres a highly possible explanation because of his denying of proper tests.