Hate to break it to the tards on this forum, but the general consensus is that Pac...

[Brother Mouzone]

If Arum and Manny didn't care about what the public thinks, they would not be filing defamation lawsuits to help clear Manny's name.

honestly if they go to court they are just going to waist alot of money it will be a media circus .. people and the media have allready made up their minds on whether he is using or not and it is not floyd sr. fault he stated his opinion he has said this for a long time and nobody paid attention until now when pac has refused random drug testing which is why people think he is on some kind of steroid...

[aether]

Again it was a bluff that was just ignored. Demands are demands. Do you agree that Floyd has given in to all of Pacs demands thus far?

enough with the "floyd complied with manny's demands"

you think 147lbs is unfair?
you think 50-50 is unfair?
you think 8oz gloves is unfair?

floyd complied and he better cause those stipulations are fair.

what's not fair, is making your opponent do extra, unnecessary, never-been-done-before tests that is not required by Nevada or any sanctioning body, when there is no basis of him being nothing but clean with the exception of claims by your dad, who happens to be a crack head.

[Doctor_Tenma]

enough with the "floyd complied with manny's demands"

you think 147lbs is unfair?
you think 50-50 is unfair?
you think 8oz gloves is unfair?

floyd complied and he better cause those stipulations are fair.

what's not fair, is making your opponent do extra, unnecessary, never-been-done-before tests that is not required by Nevada or any sanctioning body, when there is no basis of him being nothing but clean with the exception of claims by your dad, who happens to be a crack head.

10mill over 1 pound? 145 pound cathweight with the WW WBO on the line?

[Gutz]

Is wrong in this.

And that consensus would be correct. LOL@getting mad about asking for RANDOM tests but wanting to ask the other guy for how much for being over the weight limit (and the other guy accepting).

Manny and Arum the clown have tried to call of this fight THREE times. Floyd has agreed to every condition they have asked.

Don't let facts get in the way of your clownshoe nuthuggery though. Carry on.

Wrong..

This is from RING TV.com

MOST UNFAIR

Accusing Pacquiao of taking PEDs: Pacquiao doesn’t deserve this. The man lifted himself out of poverty to become the greatest boxer in the world and a hero to his countrymen, an inspiring story if there ever was one. To suggest that he did it with the help of performance-enhancing drugs with absolutely no proof –- as Floyd Mayweather Sr has done -– is a gross injustice. By all accounts, Pacquiao is one of the hardest workers ever to step into a gym. We have to assume that his work ethic and his natural gifts are responsible for his success unless concrete or even anecdotal evidence to the contrary emerges. So far, none has. Thus, we must assume that Pacquiao is perfectly clean and should celebrate his profound success

[Kakutogi-Gumi]

Name the conditions they've asked that he's balking at.

You can't use drug testing since that's what Floyd asked for (for both him and pac).

Can you link me to Mayweather's medical credentials?

[MindBat]

honestly if they go to court they are just going to waist alot of money it will be a media circus .. people and the media have allready made up their minds on whether he is using or not and it is not floyd sr. fault he stated his opinion he has said this for a long time and nobody paid attention until now when pac has refused random drug testing which is why people think he is on some kind of steroid...

It's sad, really. If they thought the public cared about his image now, wait until this really blows up in the media. It's going to get crazier.

[MindBat]

10mill over 1 pound? 145 pound cathweight with the WW WBO on the line?

What's even more interesting is that they wanted Cotto to come down to 142-143 until Cotto made a counter offer of 145 which they had to settle for.

They wanted to drain him more.

[Lead Cenobite]

enough with the "floyd complied with manny's demands"

you think 147lbs is unfair?
you think 50-50 is unfair?
you think 8oz gloves is unfair?

floyd complied and he better cause those stipulations are fair.

what's not fair, is making your opponent do extra, unnecessary, never-been-done-before tests that is not required by Nevada or any sanctioning body, when there is no basis of him being nothing but clean with the exception of claims by your dad, who happens to be a crack head.

Too bad Floyd is ready to take those SAME tests. Ooops. There goes your argument.

And yeah 147 might not be fair since PAC wouldn't have that limit in the last fight (cotto) and bitched and complained endlessly. Remember?

[Hallaqsillaq]

enough with the "floyd complied with manny's demands"

you think 147lbs is unfair?
you think 50-50 is unfair?
you think 8oz gloves is unfair?

floyd complied and he better cause those stipulations are fair.

what's not fair, is making your opponent do extra, unnecessary, never-been-done-before tests that is not required by Nevada or any sanctioning body, when there is no basis of him being nothing but clean with the exception of claims by your dad, who happens to be a crack head.

Actually, as much as I dislike Floyd, it is commendable to set a precedent for clean and fair fighters in the future.

They should institute Olympic style testing in EVERY sport.

Manny's looking like an idiot, unfortunately.

[deuce_drop]

Uh right. Great analogy. So would you prove that you were not a drug dealer by:

1. Moving out and into a neighborhood of drug dealers.1
2. Saying **** you and showing proof to the police of your legitimate employment and purchase of said BMW?

you're missing the point, the point is, where does the neighbor get the RIGHT to accuse you with no evidence? and where do they get the right to look without any proof?

what he was saying, it's anarchy to accuse someone with no evidence and then to have them go through the motions one would have to go through that is guilty and has been caught.

you can't accuse someone with no evidence and then force them to prove it, unless we're in some lawless state, a martial law scenario or something crazy like that.

in a case of something like this and that, i would take it to court, and i would sue my accusers, just like pacquiao, because that is where i would prove my innocence, a place where my accusers can't run and hide, a place that would go through all the facts, both sides get time for their due dilligence and both sides get to share their info on the case, and if the accusers don't have any physical evidence, then they would have a tough time in court and would have a tougher time picking up my lawsuit bill after they lost, because there is no facts to the accusation............... thats what is up! suck a egg.