Berto vs. Collazo

[MJ406]

for one, 8-4 Collazo seems way too wide for one.

2ndly I gave Berto rounds 2, 5, 6-8, 11+12

and already mentioned, but scoring boxing is probably one of THE most subjective things in all of sports as

take that 7th round which Lederman gave to Collazo. in that round (6th) Berto actually had a pretty significant edge in punches landed

but if I scored that 7th round for Collazo (like Lederman did) .. he'd (Luis) win 114-113 on my scorecard. and at the end of the day IMO Collazo gave up too many rounds (7, 8, 12) and in a close fight you just can't afford to do that

which is why I really feel Collazo screwed himself more then anything. because even the 7th round for example compubox had something like a 21 to 7 edge in punches landed and half way through a fight you cannot shut down like that and expect to win a close fight

**it was the giving of the middle rounds away that cost Collazo in this fight, because keep in mind it's not like he was beating Berto pillar to post as some would act ... he did take rounds off, and it cost him dearly.

[Spray_resistant]

I actually watched it again a day or 2 ago and am trashed right now so if you needed any explanation here is a thread i made explaining my 8-4 scoring for Collazo.

http://boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=343202

[PinoyProdigy95]

I actually had Berto winning 114-113, if Collazo just had won one of the last two rounds, tsk tsk tsk...

[revs1227]

That's a bit steep. At the most Collazo might've sneaked 7-5, but anything more than that is just not possible if you really watch closely (I used the 60fps HD version). Berto also had some good rounds in there, so he did his fair share to win as well.

I think 7-5 either way is acceptable, but 6-6 makes the most sense IMO. I found it to be similar to Pavlik-Taylor II and Cotto-Clottey. All razor-thin decisions that could've gone a round either way, or a draw. Robberies they ain't.

ii watched it on my 50 inch sony bravia 1080p hdtv and rewinded it pleanty of times 2 see who was landing
7 5 is fine too plus he had the point deduction
collazo one by a mile

[revs1227]

I thought Collazo won as well but in a close fight. He could have bitched but people remember the last couple rounds more than what happened earlier

and berto won the last two rounds.

but with the point deduction and seeing how close the fight was it is hard to see how berto ended up with the decision

no way berto won 11
12 by a mile but not 11

[MJ406]

again according to compubox Berto had a 21-4 edge in power punches landed in round 7

**and on compubox landed more punches + had a higher % for round 6

if you want to say Collazo outworked Berto thoroughout and won "easy" fine, but don't use the 6th or 7th rounds as examples ... because one or both of those could probably swing you from a Collazo to a Berto W.

[PittyPat]

no way berto won 11
12 by a mile but not 11

Like I said earlier, round 11 was a very subjective one - it all depends on whether one prefers Collazo winning the first 2 minutes due to pressure and a lot of punches thrown (not necessarily effective), or Berto winning the last minute with harder punches (effective, but he wasted the first 2 minutes). I actually had to go back and re-watch that particular round a few times before I settled on giving it to Collazo. Just one of those swing rounds, y'know...

How did people score the opening round? I had a tough time with that one as well, because IMO Berto was doing better work overall, but Collazo landed that one punch which made Berto stumble, followed by a flurry on him against the ropes. I initially gave it to Berto, but I changed my when I re-watched it. The most hurtful exchange of the round belonged to Collazo, so I felt it had to go to him.

[Dynamite Kid]

I felt Berto won the fight, difference being he was landing the hard shots while Collazo was arm punching down stretch, trying to stay busy whilst he was tiring.

[MJ406]

PittyPat: but keep in mind regarding the opening round that Berto comes back with a hard right hand with just under a minute left in the round

he even caught Collazo on the ropes and landed a couple good shots, but I don't think it was enough to win him the round.

[Iceta]

Anyone who had Collazo winning that fight don't know how to score fights. Collazo had a cut over his eye opened up by a punch and he was winded and ready to go at the end. The last two rounds was what determined who deserved that win and Berto won them handily. I know there are posters who are not Puerto Rican that had Berto losing that fight. But I don't think I've come across one Puerto Rican poster who had Berto winning either. Lol.