Berto vs. Collazo

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Just rewatched Berto vs Collazo. Damn did Collazo whip Berto's ass..Berto rallied in the 12th but Collazo was outworking him through the whole fight. He should of bitched and moaned on HBO like Paulie and maybe he would of received a second shot.

I thought Collazo won as well but in a close fight. He could have bitched but people remember the last couple rounds more than what happened earlier

and berto won the last two rounds.

but with the point deduction and seeing how close the fight was it is hard to see how berto ended up with the decision

[PittyPat]

Why not a rematch... the problem is only that Collazo is pretty much sitting on his ass now forever... so IF Berto should beat Mosley I guess he can kiss Berto goodbye... the fight was good but Collazo simply has no following to demand it... if Berto stands to his word all power to him... but I guess nobody would blame him if he goes on and fights guys like Williams, Mayweather etc. if something like that should happen... we will see...

More truth. I like your thinking.

Speaking of guys who sit on their ass, Clottey is one of the worst culprits of that - I think he's had at least 4 opportunities to fight someone since Cotto (Mosley, Holt, Williams and Rosales), but all have fallen through. Hence, I think a fight between him and Collazo would be good. The winner could then get a shot at one of the current WW champs.

I'm excited for Mosley-Berto to tell you the truth... I like what I've seen heart wise from Berto and Mosley seems to have his hunger back... at least he talks like that... should be interesting

Oh yeah, I'm majorly buzzing for that fight. I also love how it's so similar to last year - both Mosley and Berto fighting in January, but this time against each other. I'm glad the fight got made in the end, because I was never too keen on Mosley-Clottey, and we all knew neither Pacquiao nor Mayweather was ever going to give him a shot. So regardless of who pulls out the win, we get one step closer to unifying the WW division.

However, I am naturally fearful for Mosley. I think he can win this, but like anyone in boxing he could suddenly age overnight and get his ass handed to him by the younger fighter in Berto. As overrated as I think the latter is (whilst respecting his skills), there is no way in hell Mosley should take this fight lightly - he's got a fast, powerful, young, undefeated guy in front of him who is hungry for success. He needs to be on top of his game to dispatch of him. Ring rust is not what he needs out there.

[PittyPat]

berto won the last two rounds.

He definitely won the 12th, but the 11th was a tricky one. It needs to be divided into 3 separate phases - Collazo was winning the first 2 minutes with volume and pressure, until he gassed out and let Berto land some harder shots to close the round.

It just goes to show how subjective boxing is - did Berto do enough in the final minute to steal the round with harder shots, or should it have gone to Collazo for the opening 2 minutes of pressure and lots of punches thrown? It was very, very hard to call.

[Allucard]

I just got around to watching this war for the second time (it seemed even better then how I remembered it!), and I had an identical scorecard to that of when I first saw it a year ago...

C || 10 | 9  | 10 | 10 | 9  | 9  | 9  | 9  | 10 | 10 | 10 | 9  || 114
B || 9  | 10 | 9  | 8  | 10 | 10 | 10 | 10 | 9  | 9  | 9  | 10 || 113

The really close rounds IMO were the first round (even though Berto stumbled and looked hurt, one could make a case for him still doing enough to win the round) and the 11th (just one of those swing rounds which Collazo had in the bag initially, but then allowed Berto to rally back).

Overall, definitely not a robbery, but I believe Collazo won - by the tiniest of margins, just because of Berto's point deduction.

Surely such a close fight requires a rematch. Whether or not Berto wins later this month, Collazo thoroughly deserves a second chance.

While i think Berto won your scorecard is respectful, really depends on how you see it. I agree a rematch is in order.

[jkaisen41]

More truth. I like your thinking.

Speaking of guys who sit on their ass, Clottey is one of the worst culprits of that - I think he's had at least 4 opportunities to fight someone since Cotto (Mosley, Holt, Williams and Rosales), but all have fallen through. Hence, I think a fight between him and Collazo would be good. The winner could then get a shot at one of the current WW champs.



Oh yeah, I'm majorly buzzing for that fight. I also love how it's so similar to last year - both Mosley and Berto fighting in January, but this time against each other. I'm glad the fight got made in the end, because I was never too keen on Mosley-Clottey, and we all knew neither Pacquiao nor Mayweather was ever going to give him a shot. So regardless of who pulls out the win, we get one step closer to unifying the WW division.

However, I am naturally fearful for Mosley. I think he can win this, but like anyone in boxing he could suddenly age overnight and get his ass handed to him by the younger fighter in Berto. As overrated as I think the latter is (whilst respecting his skills), there is no way in hell Mosley should take this fight lightly - he's got a fast, powerful, young, undefeated guy in front of him who is hungry for success. He needs to be on top of his game to dispatch of him. Ring rust is not what he needs out there.

THX dude and you're welcome *lol*

Yeah, Clottey is really a bit of a dissapointment to me... I always liked his style... but he first of all seems to be a diva negotiating wise... doesn't know his market value and in his fights, where he has the chance to take it to the next level... he finds a way to loose instead of winning... somehow he seems to be lacking mentally something... I personally thought that Cotto won close... and could have seen Clottey winning but he has no one to blame but himself for the last few rounds... that he sits around yes... it is bad... it won't help him and ain't no spring chicken anymore too... dude has talent, more IMO then Collazo... it is sad that it will get flushed away...

I personally give Berto a good chance... on the one hand you of course will say if Collazo gives him problems Mosley will kill him.. but Collazo is a guy who is fundamentally sound... Shane fights more like a boxer/puncher... I think that will help Berto. If Shane comes with a jab he will make it an easy night for him but if the before Naazim Shane shows up it will be a fight...

The reason why I still favor Mosley is because of Berto's lack of defense skill... against Berto he held a lot, against Collazo got hit a lot... I still lean towards Mosley... but believe that this one is much closer then most believe... if Berto is game... if he comes in like ****, especially mentally not prepared... he will get whipped

[PittyPat]

Yeah, Clottey is really a bit of a dissapointment to me... I always liked his style... but he first of all seems to be a diva negotiating wise... doesn't know his market value and in his fights, where he has the chance to take it to the next level... he finds a way to loose instead of winning... somehow he seems to be lacking mentally something... I personally thought that Cotto won close... and could have seen Clottey winning but he has no one to blame but himself for the last few rounds... that he sits around yes... it is bad... it won't help him and ain't no spring chicken anymore too... dude has talent, more IMO then Collazo... it is sad that it will get flushed away...

Yeah, the Cotto-Clottey fight was another of those extremely razor-thin decisions that rightfully could've gone either way. On my first 3 viewings, I kept having it 115-112 for Clottey (which I naively called a robbery) and was convinced that he won, but then when I watched the HD version many months later, I had Cotto winning by 114-113. I accept that now. Nonetheless, a score of up to 115-112 either way is acceptable IMO, although 114-113 is more plausible considering how close it was.

Some of those rounds, like with Berto-Collazo, were incredibly close to call - but mainly because of the lack of offence from both guys! That's what made it a frustrating fight to watch, even though I still consider it a FOTY candidate. At least with Berto-Collazo, it was non-stop action with at least one fighter throwing in each round; but with Cotto-Clottey, you had a few rounds where neither seemed to want to attack - so you'd have to score the round based on who dictated the pace or something really specific.

But like you said, Clottey has talent and it's a huge shame that he's not fighting more often. I wish he'd drop the diva mentality about his own self-worth and just go out there and fight anyone to keep busy - there are plenty of talented guys looking for a match-up, and by beating them he could make himself a shoe-in for another title shot. I actually think Cotto should give him a rematch, but I'm probably in the minority there...

I personally give Berto a good chance... on the one hand you of course will say if Collazo gives him problems Mosley will kill him.. but Collazo is a guy who is fundamentally sound... Shane fights more like a boxer/puncher... I think that will help Berto. If Shane comes with a jab he will make it an easy night for him but if the before Naazim Shane shows up it will be a fight...

The reason why I still favor Mosley is because of Berto's lack of defense skill... against Berto he held a lot, against Collazo got hit a lot... I still lean towards Mosley... but believe that this one is much closer then most believe... if Berto is game... if he comes in like ****, especially mentally not prepared... he will get whipped

Others have disagreed with me on this, but seeing Berto struggle and look downright lost against a blown-up LWW in Urango brought him down a few notches in my estimation. Sure, he trounced him and shut him out, but by rights he should've made it look much easier than he did - all he did was hit and hold, and throw backhands instead of hard jabs (hence why I laugh when I hear people praise his jab, when Dawson's is miles better and isn't thrown like a backhand).

Meanwhile, Mosley has an underrated jab, an iron chin and a truckload of power. If he shows up in that vicious, animalistic way he did against Margarito, he should breeze this... But if he shows up rusty and frustrated like in the Mayorga fight (which was excusable because it was at 154), it's going to be a tough night.

[cooper5]

I thought Collazo edged it but I can understand an argument either way. Collazo never got the good from judges in title bouts.

[Spray_resistant]

Just rewatched Berto vs Collazo. Damn did Collazo whip Berto's ass..Berto rallied in the 12th but Collazo was outworking him through the whole fight. He should of bitched and moaned on HBO like Paulie and maybe he would of received a second shot.

Yup had it 8-4 for Collazo.

[PittyPat]

Yup had it 8-4 for Collazo.

Still got your scorecard? I'd love to see exactly how someone could have it by that much. It doesn't seem plausible at all.

[Spray_resistant]

Still got your scorecard? I'd love to see exactly how someone could have it by that much. It doesn't seem plausible at all.

No not off of hand right now or off my head no to be honest..... Luis won 8 round both times I have scored it....there is in my view no way it was that close and Berto could have gotten a draw even.