Let's be serious, team mayweather is just character assassinating pacquiao

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Others suspect, because Team Mayweather has made it the centerpoint of their negotiation tactics.



Yes it is. They are character assassinating Pacquiao. That's what this was all about from the beginning. That's why Team Mayweather is now backing off of their hard stance on the USDA testing and willing to compromise.


You're right, Pac was beloved, Floyd was hated... so Team Mayweather started this PED talk to level the paying field so some people would turn on pac and support mayweather. classic swiftboating.


Athletes are superstitious people. if they believe that performing some ritual helps them win and you stop them from performing that ritual it effects them mentally.

For some, its abstaining from sex, for others like pac, its not drawing blood before a fight.

IN ANY CASE, PAC IS WILLING TO GIVE BLOOD, JUST NOT IMMEDIATELY BEFORE THE FIGHT.

I can see your unwilling to see both sides to this. I understand superstitions may play a part in Pacs decisions, but he was on the PAC/HATTON 24/7 having blood taken mid training.

Oh and Pac is willing to give blood ONLY IN JANUARY, 30 DAYS BEFORE THE FIGHT, AND AFTER THE FIGHT.

Scheduling the tests defeats the purpose of them.

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Scheduled blood testing isn't effective enough.

it was never about the blood testing, it was always about creating a cloud of su****ion over Pac so that win or lose floyd could make himself look like the good guy. like i've said, swiftboating at its finest.

The goal was to ensure a level playing field in the biggest fight of Floyds career. I don't think any of this was to intentionally tarnish his reputation.

It was a character assassination plot. Pac's reputation is tarnished. after the fight Pac should still sue.

How would they know Pac would refuse to random blood testing?

They didn't. Team Mayweather poked and prodded until they found a weakness to exploit. You don't have to have foreknowledge for something like that.

It seems like a pretty simple request to me.

The request was simple, but the result is the defamation of pac's character. swiftboating at its finest.

But not the random testing, which is the most important measure in the whole testing procedure.

Why even keep arguing this? Team Mayweather has already caved and are willing to look for a cut off date.

It's reasonable to question someone if they refuse to prove themselves innocent.

Innocent until proven guilty. the burden of proof is on the accuser not the defendant.

The only logical assumption is that they don't want the issue resolved as the conclusion would be even more damaging than the current su****ion is.

nope, the only logical conclusion is that with no evidence the accuser's claims are baseless and thus slander and libel.

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it was never about the blood testing, it was always about creating a cloud of su****ion over Pac so that win or lose floyd could make himself look like the good guy. like i've said, swiftboating at its finest.


It was a character assassination plot. Pac's reputation is tarnished. after the fight Pac should still sue.


They didn't. Team Mayweather poked and prodded until they found a weakness to exploit. You don't have to have foreknowledge for something like that.


The request was simple, but the result is the defamation of pac's character. swiftboating at its finest.


Why even keep arguing this? Team Mayweather has already caved and are willing to look for a cut off date.


Innocent until proven guilty. the burden of proof is on the accuser not the defendant.


nope, the only logical conclusion is that with no evidence the accuser's claims are baseless and thus slander and libel.

Nah, I think you're way off with this and thinking too much into it.

Pac's reputation could have been heightened if he just agreed to the tests in the first place. He would prove to the world he's clean, he would set a good example for the sport and the fans would be happy because the fight was signed.

Pac refusing and coming up with excuse after excuse not to do the tests is what is tarnishing his reputation. It's his own doing.

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Why even keep arguing this? Team Mayweather has already caved and are willing to look for a cut off date.

...and good for them, but it shouldn't have had to be the case.

Innocent until proven guilty. the burden of proof is on the accuser not the defendant.

...and that is what the USADA testing is: proof, one way or the other. In this particular case it's impossible to compile actual evidence either way without Pacquiao's permission. Sad and unfair but true.

nope, the only logical conclusion is that with no evidence the accuser's claims are baseless and thus slander and libel.

That's not a logical conclusion; it's blind acceptance. Because that's what we are until Pacquiao agrees to random blood testing - blind to what's really going on.

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Nah, I think you're way off with this and thinking too much into it.

Pac's reputation could have been heightened if he just agreed to the tests in the first place. He would prove to the world he's clean, he would set a good example for the sport and the fans would be happy because the fight was signed.

Pac refusing and coming up with excuse after excuse not to do the tests is what is tarnishing his reputation. It's his own doing.

Exactly, and Roach saying that HGH can't be detected in blood/ Arum saying that "Every major doctor will tell you that blood testing shows absolutely nothing" didn't help. That's just 2 out of a whole bunch of excuses.

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I can see your unwilling to see both sides to this.

I understand it perfectly. Pac is willing to give blood, but the PED rumor has already hurt pac's reputation.

I understand superstitions may play a part in Pacs decisions, but he was on the PAC/HATTON 24/7 having blood taken mid training.

link or it never happened.

Oh and Pac is willing to give blood ONLY IN JANUARY, 30 DAYS BEFORE THE FIGHT, AND AFTER THE FIGHT.

1) what's the difference between 5 mins after the fight and 24 hours before the fight?
2) What PED do you suspect Pac is on and what is the cut off date of its effective usage and how long would it take for the lab results to come back?
3) so why does team mayweather want to keep pac's blood for 8 years? why not test pac's blood for 8 years and then fight pac?

Scheduling the tests defeats the purpose of them.

2) What PED do you suspect Pac is on and what is the cut off date of its effective usage and how long would it take for the lab results to come back?

Hardly anybody cared about what Floyd Snr had to say,

wrong. floyd fans/supporters jumped on the story ASAP and caused a firestorm on message boards and twitter. It was swiftboating at it's finest.

Pacquiao not agreeing to the test has caused people to suspect him.

Innocent until proven guilty. the burden of proof is on the accuser. Pac is willing to give blood.

If he had agreed to it he would have received praise from the majority of boxing fans, instead he has caused people to question why he refused.

Pac did agree to giving blood.

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Exactly, and Roach saying that HGH can't be detected in blood/ Arum saying that "Every major doctor will tell you that blood testing shows absolutely nothing" didn't help. That's just 2 out of a whole bunch of excuses.

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I understand it perfectly. Pac is willing to give blood, but the PED rumor has already hurt pac's reputation.


link or it never happened.


1) what's the difference between 5 mins after the fight and 24 hours before the fight?
2) What PED do you suspect Pac is on and what is the cut off date of its effective usage and how long would it take for the lab results to come back?
3) so why does team mayweather want to keep pac's blood for 8 years? why not test pac's blood for 8 years and then fight pac?


2) What PED do you suspect Pac is on and what is the cut off date of its effective usage and how long would it take for the lab results to come back?



wrong. floyd fans/supporters jumped on the story ASAP and caused a firestorm on message boards and twitter. It was swiftboating at it's finest.


Innocent until proven guilty. the burden of proof is on the accuser. Pac is willing to give blood.


Pac did agree to giving blood.

Heres your link:



That was within 30 days of the fight. Seemed okay with it to me.

Anyway, I think this discussion is going nowhere. I just hope the fight gets signed and this whole issue gets put to bed.

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Heres your link:



That was within 30 days of the fight. Seemed okay with it to me.

Anyway, I think this discussion is going nowhere. I just hope the fight gets signed and this whole issue gets put to bed.

Also Note: That's a tube of blood. A TUBE.