Nobody can go from 106 to 147 naturally...

[Third Degree MM]

I havent read this entire thread. But i dont think even those who accuse pac of roids are saying that it is impossible to move up alot in weight. There saying that it is unlikely that their KO percentage and dominance would increase as they move up. Henry Armstrong didnt fight at 160 ever. When fought at MW he was in 140's since there was no JR MW division at the time. In addtion, he didnt KO Pinoy Garcia he had a disputed draw.

SRL also was less dominant as he moved up. He didnt KO as many people. De la hoya between 130-140 didnt lose one fight. When fought between 147-160 he got losses and his KO ratio went down. The same goes for PBF. He had go 12 Rds with guys like Baldomir, Judah, DLH, and even JMM. His KO ratio went down. Most fighters rely on boxing skills than power when they move up.

Pac has had 4 fights at 135 or higher. He has won all of his fights by KO or TKO. In addition, he probably only lost like a total of 4 RDS in 35 RDS of boxing. He was much more dominant at the higher weights unlike DLH, SRL, PBF, or Duran. Pac lost only like 1 rd to DLH, 1 to Diaz, 0 to hatton, and possibly 2 or 3 to Cotto.

Now examine his fights before 135. He went the distance in both his prior fights at 135. He went the distance with both JMM and MAB 2. He won JMM 2by SD, and beat MAB 2 by UD. He lost about 11 RDS of boxing between those 2 fights. Also he went the distance with Oscar Larios a few fights before that and was actually in ***** street in one of the early RDS. He also had a fight with Solis where he struggled early and kept swinging for the fences until he finally stopped Solis.

Some will say that pac was weight drained and got stronger. Well his walk in weight was fully hyrated. In addition, why would he need catchweights if he is a natural WW? There is a difference between walk weight and fighting weight. Clottey and Cotto walk around the SMW and LHW weight (162-170) does that mean they are dehyrated when they fight? Does that mean if they move up to SMW and LHW they will get stronger naturally and start to KO people?

Just trying to explain the difference between what people are saying. Many accept that fighters move up but many are asking how does one become more dominant by losing less RDS and increading KO ratio?

nice, best post of the thread

also remember all 4 fighters who were tko'd or ko'd by Pac, went forward on the fight, not to mention non of them were as good oposition as a Prime Marquez.
, now if manny simply agreed to terms and prove everyone wrong.

[myCoCainE]

Iron Mike started from roughly a femtogram as a CELL knocking out approximately 100 million other *****s then meiosed to go on to fight in the Heavyweight division and continued to knock mother**ckers out. True story.