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  • Neuraxis
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    Was Wlad Ever Here?

    A lot of people seem to be fooling themselves with all of this talk about whether Wlad is back or not, especially when the standard of him being back requires that he do something that he was never able to do pre Sanders which is beat someone with good power and a good chin. He lost to the only three opponents he faced, all of which had two things in common. These three opponents, Puritty, Sanders, and Brewster, all had good power and a good chin. Puritty has the best chin of the bunch and he has 30 wins with 27 KO's, Sanders has 40 wins with 30 KO's (all of his decisions except Puritty were pre 1995), and Brewster who has 31 wins and 27 KO's.

    A lot of people who insist that Wlad isn’t even close to being back yet, are either A) fooling themselves or B) buying into the pre-Sanders hype created by HBO that Wlad could have beat Lewis. If Wlad would have fought Lewis after he beat McCline and Lewis would have fought him instead of Tyson, Lewis would have beat up on him pretty badly. Like Sanders proved, Wlad’s defense was horrible and he reacted very poorly to being hit with multiple power shots in a row. Let’s examine Wlad’s opponents from Barrett to Castillo, by characterizing how each of his opponents fought him into one of four categories. I think that it’s safe to say which category presents the biggest challenge to Wlad.

    Sofhitters: Barrett, Byrd
    Scared of Wlad's Power: Shufford, McCline, Moli, TOS, Castillo
    Over the hill: Mercer, Botha, Nicholson
    Glass Chin, Hard Hitter: Jefferson
    Solid Chin, Hard Hitters: Sanders, Brewster

    After his loss to Sanders he fought Moli, Nicholson, Brewster, TOS, and Castillo. Moli, was probably the worst post-Sanders opponent Wlad fought was KO'd in 1 by Wlad. Nicholson who while he was over the hill was still able to easily outbox Tua for 5 rounds before Tua KO'd him in the 6th. Nicholson fought somewhat scared against Wlad, constantly clinching him while Wlad outboxed him and TKO'd him in 4th. Wlad looked the closest to the old Wlad against Moli and Nicholson.

    After the Nicholson fight, Wlad started working with Emanuel Steward, who felt the need to change a lot of things about Wlad's style and how he fought. Because of this, he looked nothing like the old Wlad, and I really wondered whether Steward was ruining Wlad. Instead of fighting Brewster where he looked hurried and awkward and TOS where he looked unsure of himself and awkward, Wlad should have fought much easier opposition while he was making the switch in style.

    Against Castillo, it was clear that Wlad is finally comfortable with Steward's new style. Losing 4+ lbs. and sparring more also seemed to help him out quite a bit as well. Wlad had great footwork, he was able to throw combinations (which he struggled to do against Brewster and which he found impossible to do against TOS), he improved his defense, and he fought like the patient Wlad of the past.

    As long as Wlad stays away from the hard hitters with good chins, he will most likely keep on winning. The true test will come when he fights a hard hitter with a good chin. If he doesn't win, it won’t prove that Wlad isn’t back because the old Wlad would have lost every single time to that kind of opponent. If he wins, it will prove that the new Wlad is here.
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    #2
    long winded statement brother, why not just say that Vlad's a bum??

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    • Neuraxis
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      #3
      Originally posted by SacTown1
      long winded statement brother, why not just say that Vlad's a bum??
      Please get off Wlad's nuts.

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      • Darth Warrior
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        Ya, Sorry bro. I do not have the attention span to read that ****. I'm sure you made excellent points though.

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        • SacTown1
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          #5
          Originally posted by Neuraxis
          Please get off Wlad's nuts.
          DUDE wake up I'm not on his nuts, I think Vlad's a pile of garbage, all I'm sayin' is that you turned a 1-line statement into a freakin biography

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          • Run
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            I personally thought the same about him his entire career. Even after his losses to Sanders and Brewster.

            Think about it this way. People will always say: "Excuses, Excuses". I dont buy into that. There was clear problems present in his losses. All three of them.

            1.) He had stamina problems at the time he fought Purity. He punched himself out, and ran out of gas completely. The New Wlad, I believe does not have these kinds of problems anymore, based on his lighter weight and newfound mobility. He is learning from training under Steward.

            2.) Sanders caught him with a lucky punch, and from there on, was the downfall of the fight. People act like he was a never was....and that is ***ing ******. Lewis was knocked out cold by Rock, and McCall. In no way am I comparing Wlad to Lewis....but if you look at overall skill and potential, the two obviously supercede the people they have lost to. He was not ready to take that kind of a punch, and I dont think Sanders, to this day can repeat that performance against him. He will not be able to find him with that jab in his face.

            3.) Brewster's display of heart in that fight, was one of the better ones since Holyfield fought Bowe. He would not take no for an answer, and took serious punishment in the process. I am 100% certain the new Wlad would knock his ass out cold. The patience in shooting the right hand he displayed against Castillo is a tell tale factor of the new Wlad. He only missed 1 right hand the entire fight, and the second one he landed.....he knocked him out.

            Wlad haters can suck my ****, because he is a big athletic assasin, who has always been the best heavyweight since Lewis. Period. What is hilarious, are all the people who jumped ship to his brother. LOL.

            Wlad is the better fighter. Not Vitali.



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            Last edited by Run; 04-25-2005, 08:39 PM.

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            • PBDS
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              #7
              Originally posted by Runw/knives
              I personally thought the same about him his entire career. Even after his losses to Sanders and Brewster.

              Think about it this way. People will always say: "Excuses, Excuses". I dont buy into that. There was clear problems present in his losses. All three of them.

              1.) He had stamina problems at the time he fought Purity. He punched himself out, and ran out of gas completely. The New Wlad, I believe does not have these kinds of problems anymore, based on his lighter weight and newfound mobility. He is learning from training under Steward.

              2.) Sanders caught him with a lucky punch, and from there on, was the downfall of the fight. People act like he was a never was....and that is ***ing ******. Lewis was knocked out cold by Rock, and McCall. In no way am I comparing Wlad to Lewis....but if you look at overall skill and potential, the two obviously supercede the people they have lost to. He was not ready to take that kind of a punch, and I dont think Sanders, to this day can repeat that performance against him. He will not be able to find him with that jab in his face.

              3.) Brewster's display of heart in that fight, was one of the better ones since Holyfield fought Bowe. He would not take no for an answer, and took serious punishment in the process. I am 100% certain the new Wlad would knock his ass out cold. The patience in shooting the right hand he displayed against Castillo is a tell tale factor of the new Wlad. He only missed 1 right hand the entire fight, and the second one he landed.....he knocked him out.

              Wlad haters can suck my ****, because he is a big athletic assasin, who has always been the best heavyweight since Lewis. Period. What is hilarious, are all the people who jumped ship to his brother. LOL.

              Wlad is the better fighter. Not Vitali. LOL.

              ....Yeah, and I might add that anyone who calls Wlad a Bum, pile of ****, etc. etc. is a ****in idiot that has no credibility on these boards. Blanket statements like that about a guy with Wlad's offensive skills and potential is either a case of someone being an idiot or just trying to be a ****. I suspect it's a little of both.

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              • BrooklynBomber
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                Whom does Wlad remind you on my avatar. Anyway if wlad had the brains and the patience of his brother than he would be better. But Vitaly imo just smarter now. Maybe later it will be different.

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                • !! Mr. Soprano
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                  #9
                  Not a bad post, but only two things I disagree with:

                  A)
                  Originally posted by Neuraxis
                  If Wlad would have fought Lewis after he beat McCline and Lewis would have fought him instead of Tyson, Lewis would have beat up on him pretty badly. Like Sanders proved, Wlad’s defense was horrible and he reacted very poorly to being hit with multiple power shots in a row.
                  Wlad completely underestimated Sanders. Come on, his physical appearance in not very impressive. A golfer? Who would take him seriously. Wlad got caught very well on his chin, undervaluing his opponents power and never was able to recover.. he just kept coming up and down again.. I'd say the guy was in total shock and didn't know what to do.

                  He would have prepared A LOT more for the fight with Lewis and would have been a lot more cautious.
                  And of course Lewis still would have wooped his ass..

                  B)
                  Originally posted by Neuraxis
                  Wlad had great footwork, he was able to throw combinations (which he struggled to do against Brewster and which he found impossible to do against TOS)
                  I'm sorry, I might have been watching a different fight, but the one I saw was: Jab, Jab, Jab, Jab + Left Hook,
                  Jab, Jab, Jab + Left Hook,
                  Jab, Jab, Jab + Straight right (missed)
                  Jab, Jab, Jab, Jab.... Jab + Straight Right ----->End of fight.
                  I must have missed all of the excitement of the fight. What combinations?

                  He hit Brewster with combinations for 4 rounds...

                  But like I said before... I like the post
                  I always favored Wladimir more than Vitaly.. and I'm also his bigger fan
                  Last edited by !! Mr. Soprano; 04-25-2005, 09:29 PM.

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                  • Boxerdog
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                    Originally posted by pbds
                    ....Yeah, and I might add that anyone who calls Wlad a Bum, pile of ****, etc. etc. is a ****in idiot that has no credibility on these boards. Blanket statements like that about a guy with Wlad's offensive skills and potential is either a case of someone being an idiot or just trying to be a ****. I suspect it's a little of both.
                    Tried to hit you with the karma but must "spread it around".
                    There seems to be a migration of dim-bulbs happening. Remember when secondsout bit the dust and idiots sprang up everywhere? Deja vu all over again!

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