Judah has a lot to say about ESPN PPV...Kermit "the quitter" Chingone

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If Margarito is so basic and one dimensional then he should fight him next to prove his point. If he doesnt he is just talking out of his ass and might turn out to be like spinks who ducked Margarito, and elected to fight a semi-retired Miguel Angel Gonzalez instead.

[legend]

If Margarito is so basic and one dimensional then he should fight him next to prove his point. If he doesnt he is just talking out of his ass and might turn out to be like spinks who ducked Margarito, and elected to fight a semi-retired Miguel Angel Gonzalez instead.

Agreed. If Zab stays true to his words and his beliefs, he should have no problem fighting Margarito. IMO, it might be a bad idea because Margarito is no Cory Spinks.

[tracylee]

Nah,by the time Cintron was bleeding you could see he was mentaly breaking down,by the last time he was down he was looking to his corner for help,it was kinda obvious,he certainly didnt dispute the dicision with anybody after they stopped it,i wouldnt call him a quitter tho, people call him a quitter because of how overwhelmed he looked,he lost to the much better fighter.

Thanks for the info...alot of people tend to forget just how very young this guy is, with so very, very much still to learn. I wont call him a quitter either, and I sure wont give up on him as a force to be dealt with in the wel. div. He's very green, with plenty of time left to redeem himself. Since when is it a shame for a young, not quite so experienced guy to lose to someone of Maragritos caliber anyway?? He'll get past this, and still go very far. If he can handle the mental aspects of this loss, then I have no worries. I dont think with all that he's been thru in his private life that this will 'ruin' him or keep him down for very long. And they all lose one evuentally anyway..he simply was not ready for Margarito.

[mauricio95]

whenever you are ready zab i'll take you on the bet

[scap]

Thanks for the info...alot of people tend to forget just how very young this guy is, with so very, very much still to learn. I wont call him a quitter either, and I sure wont give up on him as a force to be dealt with in the wel. div. He's very green, with plenty of time left to redeem himself. Since when is it a shame for a young, not quite so experienced guy to lose to someone of Maragritos caliber anyway?? He'll get past this, and still go very far. If he can handle the mental aspects of this loss, then I have no worries. I dont think with all that he's been thru in his private life that this will 'ruin' him or keep him down for very long. And they all lose one evuentally anyway..he simply was not ready for Margarito.

Sure they all lose one eventually but Cintron did not even belong in the same ring as Antonio and this was supposed to be a u pickem fight going in.

I agree with you that you can't be too hard on Kermit but then again lets be realistic for a moment...you said you don't think he will be down very long, well it depends upon what you mean by that.

If you mean that he is going to be knocking around fringe contenders than I would certainly agree with you, but if you think he becomes a legit champion anytime soon (meaning next 3 or 4 years) than I think you need to watch the effort he gave on Saturday one more time.

It wasn't as bad as Mike Anchondo's performance but it was pretty piss poor, Kermit still may be a good fighter but he is most likely not the fighter many including myself hoped he would be, he could have lost and things could have been viewed much differently...however it was the way he lost that concerns people...he fought like he had no heart beat...he fought like Mike Anchondo and that is unacceptable I don't care who you are in the ring with.

[MWCOFSU]

Mosley looked like the Mosley of 154. Hesitant, unconfident, and throwing zero combinations. I got the feeling like he almost wanted to go 10 rounds. He had the opportunity to throw that body shot at will and it was obviously hurting Estrada.

There were countless times Estrada threw a slow, looping right that Mosley refused to counter. Each time I looked for mosley to get in there with some combos but...nothing.

There is no question that Margarito would be a bigger test for Judad at this stage. Mosley needs to stop talking about combinations and actually throw a few. Zab talks a lot ****, but I'm gonna agree with him..theres no reason Estrada should have gone 10 rounds the way he fought. he had heart and not much else.

[FrankJack]

After seein his fight with Estrada, I don't think that Mosley's got much against Judah right now. Zab's tellin the truth when he says that Shane is gonna have to work his way up, cus Estrada really shouldn't have been that much trouble for him. I'm not gonna anything away from David though, he went in there and did his thing, but c'mon, we all know that Mosely should've had that show closed out.

[FrankJack]

And the last picture that I saw of Oscar, it looked like he had quite a bit of work to do to get back to welterweight. I'm wonderin when he's supposed to come back down anyway?

[STEELHEAD]

mosley is one of my favs. but he hasnt won a meaniful fight in years

keep in consideration that mosley didnt fight any easy tuneup fights like most. until estrada. some consider mosley blowing his carrier because of it.

[STEELHEAD]

I wouldn't agree with anyone who says that Zab isn't an intelligent fighter. You might not like some of his antics or aspects of his personality but his awareness in the ring is possibly in the top 5 among all current fighter, at least IMO. If Mayweather would be #1 in this category Zab definitely looks good next to him, even if he isn't quite at his level.

When he is paying enough attention Zab makes the adjustments he needs against whatever opponent he is facing. Check out Spinks II and Bergman for good examples of this. A guy can be smart in one way and dumb in other ways, but that doesn't make him dumb period.

you know i agree with where you're coming from. zabs focus in spinks II made me reconsider the "new zab".but the intelligents factor has to be proven to me against a top contender with power.mosley can outwit a zab at this stage even though mosleys still on a mental and physical comeback trail.mosleys gotten hit by a lot harder punchers than zab. i don't see how judah can hurt him. and mosley can hurt. plus the clown factor in zab could crop up any time.