Lets not forget Ortiz dropped Maidana 3 Times

[Eric Holder]

he's got talent and a good skillset, hopefully he takes advantage of them

[Jupiter Maximus]

Victor Ortiz didn't learn his lesson. Diaz was catching him when he was coming forward. My problem with Ortiz is that he's a very hittable and Diaz was someone who was tailor made for him. He's only 22 and hopefully will get better but right now, no way...not even close. And he couldn't finish Maidana and to get to that top level that's something he needs to do. Talented, yes...ready for the current tops at 140lbs, no.

co-sign!!!!

[Ekscape]

Victor's gonna tear **** up in 2010

Agreed... Everyone has written Ortiz off but mark my words he's gonna come back with avengence and silence all critics in 2010... He's gonna make me a e-point millionaire in 2010 lol

[P.WILL]

Agreed... Everyone has written Ortiz off but mark my words he's gonna come back with avengence and silence all critics in 2010... He's gonna make me a e-point millionaire in 2010 lol

Paul Williams did that for me

[Shadows]

He has talent, but obviously his heart and desire have come into question.

Hopefully he'll be able to regroup and let the past be the past and make improvements along the way.

[Jupiter Maximus]

Paul Williams did that for me

why did you bet big he'd get a gift decision against an unknown argentine?

[-MAKAVELLI-]

why did you bet big he'd get a gift decision against an unknown argentine?

Sergio wasn't really unknown after the Bunema and Cintron fight

[Jupiter Maximus]

Sergio wasn't really unknown after the Bunema and Cintron fight

hey it's your lie tell it how you like. Every one was calling him a bum b4 the PW fight and most were like "Sergio who?"

[P.WILL]

hey it's your lie tell it how you like. Every one was calling him a bum b4 the PW fight and most were like "Sergio who?"

No, most people were like this will be a close fight and Sergio dominated Cintron

[Ekscape]

why did you bet big he'd get a gift decision against an unknown argentine?

I've been following Martinez for quite some time so there was no way I was gonna bet on the Martinez-Williams fight... Because in actuality I thought Martinez was gonna win and I was astonished that Williams fans thought Paul was gonna walk over Martinez, obviously they've never watched Martinez fight before and were surprised as **** during the fight