Emile Griffith GAY Boxer.

[joe kurtz]

Great posts Martin & Bushido.

[hectari]

It sounds to me like you've been brainwashed by all the Bush bull****, or you're 13, or you're just ignorant.

First, men can be both manly AND gay.

Second, it's not a "sickness". The Bible-thumping Bush Nuthuggers will tell that it's unnatural, yet ****sexuality occurs quite often in the wild, amongst a wide variety of mammals.

Third, only an ignorant idiot (read: redneck) would give a **** about being KO'd by a ****sexual who was a 6 time World Champion. Honestly, if the guy were just an average boxer, it still shouldn't make a ****.

Did you ever stop and think (dumb question, I know) that with all his preaching about "Love thy neighbor as thyself" and "let he who is without sin...", etc, etc, etc, Jeebus was trying to tell you to not judge people, that that falls under the purview of his father? That perhaps gay people were put here to test and see if you just say you believe in Jeebus or actually live by his words, and that you're failing miserably and damning your soul to eternal hellfire and damnation?

If you believe that being gay is a choice, you're even more ignorant than I give you credit for. What person would choose to live a life ostracized by ignorant idiots (read: the majority of society), be ridiculed, not be afforded the same right to be happy as everyone else?

Gay marriage ruins the sanctity of marriage? How the **** can you ruin the sanctity of an outdated institution with a 60%+ divorce rate?

How would you feel for your cousin if he found a man, spent the rest of his life with him in a loving relationship, and was denied the right to see him a in Critical Care Unit before death simply because the Christian Fundamentalists (who worship Jesus, Inc., not Jesus Christ) have hijacked the government? Not quite fair is it?

Love, regardless of the form it takes, is something so rare that it should always be admired.

I never said gay was a choice! and animals are animals! human beings are the most complex beings on earth we have technology and superior skills, I have seen a dog hump a stuffed animal before so the comparison amongsts animals and humans is weak. ****sexuality can be a sickness! because men and men cannot produce a baby it is wrong by nature but if you want to get deeper into it then thats personal opinion, but I am saying by nature it is not really normal. I am not hear to offend you or anyone else on this board sorry.

[hectari]

neils thanks for the negative rep.

[joe kurtz]

I never said gay was a choice! and animals are animals! human beings are the most complex beings on earth we have technology and superior skills, I have seen a dog hump a stuffed animal before so the comparison amongsts animals and humans is weak. ****sexuality can be a sickness! because men and men cannot produce a baby it is wrong by nature but if you want to get deeper into it then thats personal opinion, but I am saying by nature it is not really normal. I am not hear to offend you or anyone else on this board sorry.

Dude, if you're not trying to offend anyone then why did you start a thread that was bound to instigate negative responses & then further post your ignorant personal theories?

[hectari]

Dude, if you're not trying to offend anyone then why did you start a thread that was bound to instigate negative responses & then further post your ignorant personal theories?

how is it ignorant? dogs hump anything even humans legs how can you compare them to humans? animals are animals I do not think they fall in love hahhaah. **** the only animals that take care of there elders are the wolves.

[joe kurtz]

Whatever dude.
I'm just not up for a disertation on ****sexuality in nature & in history & the various scientific & phylisophical stances on it. It could go on for ever.

But, I will ask you this. If it were indeed a "sickness" or a disease as you say, after all this time don't you think that there would be some form of effective treatment for it's "cure"?
Some sort of pill or surgery or hormone therapy or psychotherapy, something that would have at least a small margin of success?
I mean, there's no actual cure for cancer, but a combination of chemotherapy & radiation can irradicate it. So, why isn't there a similarly effective treatment for ****sexuality if it is,as you say, a sickness?
Don't you think that modern medicine would have come up with something by now if it were ,infact, a disease?

[hectari]

Whatever dude.
I'm just not up for a disertation on ****sexuality in nature & in history & the various scientific & phylisophical stances on it. It could go on for ever.

But, I will ask you this. If it were indeed a "sickness" or a disease as you say, after all this time don't you think that there would be some form of effective treatment for it's "cure"?
Some sort of pill or surgery or hormone therapy or psychotherapy, something that would have at least a small margin of success?
I mean, there's no actual cure for cancer, but a combination of chemotherapy & radiation can irradicate it. So, why isn't there a similarly effective treatment for ****sexuality if it is,as you say, a sickness?
Don't you think that modern medicine would have come up with something by now if it were ,infact, a disease?

have you heard of a defect?

[vB Martin]

have you heard of a defect?

So, gay people are defective? You might want to drop this thread. You are showing your ignorance more and more and digging youself a deeper hole with every reply.

I wasn't aware that dogs were the only mammals besides humans. ****sexuality has been recorded and observed in felines of all sizes, as well as equines, bovines, porcines, and just about every other ine you want to name.

It may be genetic, and I guess you could view that as a defect, but how does it fit with the idea that God is perfect if He creates defective humans? Creating a defective human would either make God imperfect, or it means he created them that way on purpose. If they are God's children, then our job is to love them and treat them with the same respect we are to afford to all of God's children.

Personally, I don't believe in God, so it doesn't matter to me.

As for you, I could sit here and continue to rag on you all night, but you're obviously just regurgitating the narrow perspective that has been taught you.

Instead, I will do the right thing and offer the opportunity to look at things from a different perspective, to allow you to educate yourself beyond the narrowmindedness you've been taught.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=causes+of+****sexuality&btnG=Google+Search

There are about 600,000 pages available here for you to read. I loked them over and they seem to come from a broad perspective and cross-section of society. You whould try to read at least one or two from each perspective and see what you can determine on your own. Arrive at your opinion instead of just spouting what has been taught to you.

[Shaolin Bushido]

Great posts Martin & Bushido.

*bumps knux*

[joe kurtz]

So, gay people are defective? You might want to drop this thread. You are showing your ignorance more and more and digging youself a deeper hole with every reply.

I wasn't aware that dogs were the only mammals besides humans. ****sexuality has been recorded and observed in felines of all sizes, as well as equines, bovines, porcines, and just about every other ine you want to name.

It may be genetic, and I guess you could view that as a defect, but how does it fit with the idea that God is perfect if He creates defective humans? Creating a defective human would either make God imperfect, or it means he created them that way on purpose. If they are God's children, then our job is to love them and treat them with the same respect we are to afford to all of God's children.

Personally, I don't believe in God, so it doesn't matter to me.

As for you, I could sit here and continue to rag on you all night, but you're obviously just regurgitating the narrow perspective that has been taught you.

Instead, I will do the right thing and offer the opportunity to look at things from a different perspective, to allow you to educate yourself beyond the narrowmindedness you've been taught.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=causes+of+****sexuality&btnG=Google+Search

There are about 600,000 pages available here for you to read. I loked them over and they seem to come from a broad perspective and cross-section of society. You whould try to read at least one or two from each perspective and see what you can determine on your own. Arrive at your opinion instead of just spouting what has been taught to you.

Again, a great post.

I, like you, don't mean to comein here & jump all over the kid for his less than informed comments. Hell, at his age I probably was just as narrow minded regarding the subject matter. I mean, with my family, it was no secret that my uncle was gay. But, Grandma & Grandpa never discussed it. Ever.
And at our house my Mom & Dad rarely did either. And when they did it was rarely in a pleasant way. My father being a regular "man's man" type of guy ( you know... navy veteran, factory worker, hunter, fisher, the usual... ), typical of the times ( this was back in the 70's ) didn't have anything nice to say as you can imagine & my Mom always seemed to be stuck between defending her little brother & hoping that someday he'd meet some nice girl & "change his mind".
So, my upbringing wasn't really a particularly ******* one on this subject either. My own personal views didn't really evolve until I reached my 20's & basically just opened my eyes.
I think in this society, it's tough for young men to have a mature viewpoint on gays & ****sexuality because if you don't display a certain amount of ****phobia amoung your peers, then they're likely to turn on you with accusations. Which, for most guys, is the last thing they want. So, it perpetuates itself.
As an adult, it's not such a big deal. Oh, there are still PLENTY of adult men who'd sooner die than be thought of as gay, but if you're confident in your own identity & sexuality, it's no biggie to be mistaken for being gay.
Hell, I've had it happen to me.
Sometimes all it takes is being a gentleman for people to start talking. I'm polite, well spoken & despite being currently seperated from my wife, monogamous. So, though I frequent the cornerbar near my apartment, I don't hit on every female that moves in the place like every other guy does. This has been the case since I moved to this place back in December, so about two weeks ago, as I was talking to one of the barmaids she asked me if I was gay.
I told her that while I was doing OK, I wasn't NEARLY happy enough to be considered gay.

The point being, that if that had happened to me 20 years ago, I'd have been mortified. Absolutely mortified. But, now, it was like water off a duck's back.

So, despite the ignorance of some, there's always hope...