Kelly Pavlik is a BEAST @ 160... NOBODY beats him, INCLUDING PAUL WILLIAMS!

[dc6112]

Pavlik also gets tagged easily, Miranda tagged him, Zertuche(sp?) tagged him, Hopkins for sure tagged him.

Both get tagged easily, Williams would tag him more ...

But when Kelly tags Paul it will hurt alot more. That's why this fight needs to happen.

Not Speed vs. Power, not offense vs. defense, not experience vs. recklessness.

This fight is Power vs. Volume, and anything can happen.

But for the record Kelly knocks him out.

[Darkstar]

JT was doing nothing BUT throwing a stiff jab. And he has a much better one than Pavlik. Yet it didn't really bother AA.

I dont buy that. Pavlik would give AA a MUCH harder fight then a very shot Taylor did.

[K-Nan]

I dont buy that. Pavlik would give AA a MUCH harder fight then a very shot Taylor did.

I was arguing the jab aspect of the fight. Not who would fight better. But even now, JT's jab is much better than Pavlik's.

[Toney Loc]

Man whats up with all these guys on Martinez nuts. Are you saying that cause he gave Williams a hard fight? Look I'm a fan of both Pavlik/Williams but I don't see how Martinez would beat Pavlik easily

Pav is too stationary and not fast enough to keep up with Martinez. Pav also does not possess Paul's workrate, something Sergio was able to handle for a major part of the fight. Sexy Sergio can potentially have a field day with Pav.

[El Castigador]

Pavliks last 3 fights:

Rubio

Lockett

Espino


ARE YALL ****ING KIDDING ME.

[Heru]

Pavlik doesn't seem to have elite ring generalship, Wiliams can take this fight inside or outside. That doesn't mean he'll win no doubt, but it does say that he has options.

Until the Martinez fight, P-Will was showing an iron chin, but Martinez 'exposed' that it isn't. Paul has a sturdy chin, but Pavlik can hurt him if he lands.

When it's better boxing skills vs. puncher's chance, I usually go with skills, so Williams is the pick. I always thought that this would seriously be a FOTY candidate, even last year before the Hopkins fight, when everyone thought Williams would get smashed. This fight would be fought at an insane pace until the end.

[K-Nan]

Pavliks last 3 fights:

Rubio

Lockett

Espino


ARE YALL ****ING KIDDING ME.

Beat a sub-par champion in JT.. Taylor, a guy who had struggled against Ouma and Spinks as Champion. A guy who arguably lost both fights to Hopkins AND to Winky Wright.

Pavlik knocks JT out after having been down on the cards and nearly KTFO himself... What happens next?

He fights a very, very close rematch against JT. Fights a gimme against Gary Lockett. Gets schooled by Bernard Hopkins. Fights 2 nobodies in '09.

Yet now he's a world beater, who can't possibly be dethroned at MW.

[Shadow boxer 3]

I have said this before, and I continue to say this now...

Kelly has NEVER been beaten at 160... Kelly is too strong and will hurt Paul to the body....

Kelly will work the body early, and finish it late....

Quintana and Martinez were both hurting Paul.... Kelly will KO him LATE...

Thats my prediction, and I am sticking to it....

he stopped taylor and miranda at MW, after that he aint done **** at 160

[Mikhnienko]

But when Kelly tags Paul it will hurt alot more. That's why this fight needs to happen.

Not Speed vs. Power, not offense vs. defense, not experience vs. recklessness.

This fight is Power vs. Volume, and anything can happen.

But for the record Kelly knocks him out.

Does Kelly not normally throw 90+ punches a round?

Kelly can throw just as much and throws with good power on almost everything. PW doesn't have much power and the majority of his shots are windmill pitty pat ****.

Pavlik doesn't seem to have elite ring generalship, Wiliams can take this fight inside or outside. That doesn't mean he'll win no doubt, but it does say that he has options.

Until the Martinez fight, P-Will was showing an iron chin, but Martinez 'exposed' that it isn't. Paul has a sturdy chin, but Pavlik can hurt him if he lands.

When it's better boxing skills vs. puncher's chance, I usually go with skills, so Williams is the pick. I always thought that this would seriously be a FOTY candidate, even last year before the Hopkins fight, when everyone thought Williams would get smashed. This fight would be fought at an insane pace until the end.

The bold really makes me confused. You seem to be implying that PW can box from the outside?

- He doesn't do that to begin with (use his size - fight big), even vs 147 or 54lbers

- While he may still have some reach, Pavlik is as tall, stronger and sure as hell has a better jab.

You seem to be massivly overestimating PW's abilities. Where you get the idea that PW is a multi-dimensional, multi-style boxer is beyond me. And even if he was he wouldn't beat Pavlik attempting to fight on the outside.
His footwork isn't that of B-Hop or Bute either.

[K-Nan]

he stopped taylor and miranda at MW, after that he aint done **** at 160

Miranda and Taylor are still his only two great wins.

I was big on KP after the Miranda fight (a classic) but it was kind of a let down when he lost so much steam after capturing the title.