Either Calzaghe is ATG, or Bhop should be dropped from Top 10

[Joeyzagz]

For one,

Ward, Froch, Dirrell, AA, Bute are out there. There is alot he can do but if he doesn't have the drive anymore, I don't blame him.

No. Wards only good win was against Kessler.


You cant throw out Wards name as being better than Joe when Wards only claim to fame is a win over one of Joes leftovers.

[Joeyzagz]

Well, Bernard is a great fighter. What's your agenda?

If you want Calzaghe to get credit then you should start respecting Hopkins for what he has accomplished.

****ing thread is bogus.

For the record I think Hopkins is a hall of famer, and I believe the fight in 2008 was a fair one.

If Hopkins wanted to claim old age against Joe, then he shouldnt have dominated Kelly Pavilk shortly after.

QUESTION FOR jrosales13

Do you consider BHOP and Roy ATG's?

[jrosales13]

For the record I think Hopkins is a hall of famer, and I believe the fight in 2008 was a fair one.

If Hopkins wanted to claim old age against Joe, then he shouldnt have dominated Kelly Pavilk shortly after.

QUESTION FOR jrosales13

Do you consider BHOP and Roy ATG's?

I don't have Roy in my top 50 but I have B-Hop in my top 50 maybe top 40 I don't know I have to look.

[hammerhiem]

I don't have Joe in the top 100 I don't care what nobody says.

And, why make such a big deal for P4P list. I can say Calderon is my #1 P4P. You can not say is wrong cuz it is all an opinion.

I did a top 100 ATG list with the spacific idea to place calzaghe outside it and when all was said and done I started to have to make up reasons to place people above him at about 80-90 so thats where i put him now.

I doubt 99.9% of people have done a top 100 with enough research to geniuely make a statement on the subject with any degree of certainty.

I did and even with the basis of trying to place him outside i couldn't.

that said I only consider top 50 ATG's so in that respect we agree.

[Rosseboi]

No single fighter has ever managed to slip Hopkins punches like Calzaghe did. If anyone thinks that kind of talent is commonplace they're a fool; I don't want to hear it.

[Doctor_Tenma]

No. Wards only good win was against Kessler.


You cant throw out Wards name as being better than Joe when Wards only claim to fame is a win over one of Joes leftovers.

From the looks of it, Ward > Kessler.

[jrosales13]

I did a top 100 ATG list with the spacific idea to place calzaghe outside it and when all was said and done I started to have to make up reasons to place people above him at about 80-90 so thats where i put him now.

I doubt 99.9% of people have done a top 100 with enough research to geniuely make a statement on the subject with any degree of certainty.

I did and even with the basis of trying to place him outside i couldn't.

that said I only consider top 50 ATG's so in that respect we agree.

Here is my top 100 bro.

My list of the 100 greatest fighters of all time...

1. "Sugar" Ray Robinson
2. Henry Armstrong
3. Harry Greb
4. Muhammad Ali
5. Joe Louis
6. Sam Langford
7. Willie Pep
8. Benny Leonard
9. Joe Gans
10. Jack Johnson
11. Ezzard Charles
12. Roberto Duran
13. Bob Fitzsimmons
14. Ray Leonard
15. Gene Tunney
16. Pernell Whitaker
17. Barney Ross
18. Jimmy Wilde
19. Julio Cesar Chavez
20. Archie Moore
21. Tony Canzoneri
22. Sandy Saddler
23. Mickey Walker
24. Jimmy McClarnin
25. Ike Williams
26. "Barbados" Joe Walcott
27. George Dixon
28. Manny Pacquiao
29. Salvador Sanchez
30. Jack Dempsey
31. Stanley Ketchel
32. Billy Conn
33. Jose Napoles
34. Kid Gavilan
35. Emile Griffith
36. Carlos Monzon
37. Eder Jofre
38. Marvin Hagler
39. Evander Holyfield
40. George Foreman
41. Ruben Olivares
42. Alexis Arguello
43. Charles Burley
44. Larry Holmes
45. Jake Lamotta
46. Thomas Hearns
47. Terry McGover
48. Terry "kid" Lewis
49. **** Tiger
50. Abe Artell
51. Michael Spinks
52. Marcel Cerdan
53. Floyd Mayweather
54. Roy Jones
55. Tiger Flowers
56. Kid Chocolate
57. Manuel Ortiz
58. Rocky Marciano
59. Pascual Perez
60. Carlos Ortiz
61. Fighting Harada
62. Tommy Laughran
63. Maxie Rosenbloom
64. Felix Trinidad
65. Ricardo Lopez
66. Carlos Zarate
67. Battling Nelson
68. Beau Jack
69. John L. Sullivan
70. Carmen Basillo
71. Pete Herman
72. Jack Britton
73. Pancho Villa
74. Panama Al Brown
75. Erik Morales
76. Philadelphia Jack O'brien
77. James J. Corbett.
78. Jersey Joe Walcott
79. Tony Zale
80. Tommy Ryan
81. George Carpentier
82. Juan manuel Marquez
83. Lennox Lewis
84. James J. Jeffries
85. Joe Frazier
86. Lou Ambers
87. Vicente Saldivar
88. Flash Elorde
89. Miguel Canto
90. Marco Antonio Barrera
91. Joe Brown
92. Wilfredo Gomez
93. Bob Montgemery
94. Bob Foster
95. Sonny Liston
96. "Kid" McCoy
97. Johnny Dundee
98. Mike Tyson
99. Packey McFarland
100. Joe Jeanette

Honorable mentions-James Toney, Mike McCallum, Joe Calzaghe, Azumah Nelson, Harold Johnson, Jim Driscoll, Freddi Welsh, Antonio Cervantes, Eusebio Pedroza, Benny Lynch, Luis Pintor, Freddie Miller, Peter Jackson, Ad Wolgast, Jimmy Barry, Mike Gibbons, Jack Delaney, Johnny Kilbane, Willie Ritchie, Lew Jenkins, Willie Ritichie, Oscar De la Hoya, Shane Mosley, Aaron Pryor, Rocky Graziano, Khaosai Galaxy, Sung Kil Moon, Hilario Zapata, Yoko Gushiken, Jiro Watanabe, and Gilberto Roman

[hammerhiem]

No Locche?

Racist.

[Joeyzagz]

I don't have Roy in my top 50 but I have B-Hop in my top 50 maybe top 40 I don't know I have to look.

What did Bhop really accomplish that Joe didnt?

Joe had a long string of title defenses just like Bernard did.

Joe was undisputed just like Bernard was.

And in the ultimate decider of fates: The Head to Head match up, Joe won that one too. Name another fighter who neutralized Bernards style better than Joe...

[Joeyzagz]

Here is my top 100 bro.

My list of the 100 greatest fighters of all time...

1. "Sugar" Ray Robinson
2. Henry Armstrong
3. Harry Greb
4. Muhammad Ali
5. Joe Louis
6. Sam Langford
7. Willie Pep
8. Benny Leonard
9. Joe Gans
10. Jack Johnson
11. Ezzard Charles
12. Roberto Duran
13. Bob Fitzsimmons
14. Ray Leonard
15. Gene Tunney
16. Pernell Whitaker
17. Barney Ross
18. Jimmy Wilde
19. Julio Cesar Chavez
20. Archie Moore
21. Tony Canzoneri
22. Sandy Saddler
23. Mickey Walker
24. Jimmy McClarnin
25. Ike Williams
26. "Barbados" Joe Walcott
27. George Dixon
28. Manny Pacquiao
29. Salvador Sanchez
30. Jack Dempsey
31. Stanley Ketchel
32. Billy Conn
33. Jose Napoles
34. Kid Gavilan
35. Emile Griffith
36. Carlos Monzon
37. Eder Jofre
38. Marvin Hagler
39. Evander Holyfield
40. George Foreman
41. Ruben Olivares
42. Alexis Arguello
43. Charles Burley
44. Larry Holmes
45. Jake Lamotta
46. Thomas Hearns
47. Terry McGover
48. Terry "kid" Lewis
49. **** Tiger
50. Abe Artell
51. Michael Spinks
52. Marcel Cerdan
53. Floyd Mayweather
54. Roy Jones
55. Tiger Flowers
56. Kid Chocolate
57. Manuel Ortiz
58. Rocky Marciano
59. Pascual Perez
60. Carlos Ortiz
61. Fighting Harada
62. Tommy Laughran
63. Maxie Rosenbloom
64. Felix Trinidad
65. Ricardo Lopez
66. Carlos Zarate
67. Battling Nelson
68. Beau Jack
69. John L. Sullivan
70. Carmen Basillo
71. Pete Herman
72. Jack Britton
73. Pancho Villa
74. Panama Al Brown
75. Erik Morales
76. Philadelphia Jack O'brien
77. James J. Corbett.
78. Jersey Joe Walcott
79. Tony Zale
80. Tommy Ryan
81. George Carpentier
82. Juan manuel Marquez
83. Lennox Lewis
84. James J. Jeffries
85. Joe Frazier
86. Lou Ambers
87. Vicente Saldivar
88. Flash Elorde
89. Miguel Canto
90. Marco Antonio Barrera
91. Joe Brown
92. Wilfredo Gomez
93. Bob Montgemery
94. Bob Foster
95. Sonny Liston
96. "Kid" McCoy
97. Johnny Dundee
98. Mike Tyson
99. Packey McFarland
100. Joe Jeanette

Honorable mentions-James Toney, Mike McCallum, Joe Calzaghe, Azumah Nelson, Harold Johnson, Jim Driscoll, Freddi Welsh, Antonio Cervantes, Eusebio Pedroza, Benny Lynch, Luis Pintor, Freddie Miller, Peter Jackson, Ad Wolgast, Jimmy Barry, Mike Gibbons, Jack Delaney, Johnny Kilbane, Willie Ritchie, Lew Jenkins, Willie Ritichie, Oscar De la Hoya, Shane Mosley, Aaron Pryor, Rocky Graziano, Khaosai Galaxy, Sung Kil Moon, Hilario Zapata, Yoko Gushiken, Jiro Watanabe, and Gilberto Roman

Impressive list. Im not going to pretend to know the history behind all of the fighters mentioned but just speak on the modern ones I know and how youve placed them:"

#1. How in the hell are you going to place those two bums, Barerra and Morales in your top 100 over Joe Clazaghe? Holy **** Im at a loss for words, please explain how getting KTFO and retiring in your early 30s, makes you better than a guy who remained undefeated/unknocked well into his late 30s?

#2 Evander is not 40 places better than Lennox. Lennox could very well beat every single heavyweight on your list...hell every single PERSON on that list in a 1 on 1 boxing match and you have him ranked 83,below Holyfield?

You may know many names, many boxers but you are obviously biased blind or both to **** on British champions the way you do.