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[M.I Truth ?]

I think Pac has to be busy early and bank rounds. The more the better for him. He has to win the feel out rounds. If Floyds uses movement early Pac has to try to close distance and throw punches even if they dont land. Being busy may have people score rounds for him. If Floyd is behind early then he will be forced to push the action and that plays more into Pacs hands. Now Pac being aggessive early can be dangerous because it will set up oppertunities for him to get tagged. He has to deal with that and still throw punches in bunches to take the rounds. The sacafice early may be worth th investment.

[YoungReezy]

Pac needs to stay super busy on that body, every single opponent has done the same ****** thing, throw 100's of punches to his head, the head has eyes, the body don't. the head can be moved side to side, up or down, the body stays!

I see a complete shutout for Floyd quick jabs tattoing Pac while he's being circled, then getting caught with lead rights, jab, jab, lead right. clinch, leaping hook, clinch, jab, jab, lead right, clinch.

Floyd UD! frustrating the **** out of Pac, having him thinking of a no mas around the 8 or 9 round, because he'll be shadow boxing all night.

[COACH WEBB]

I think the shorter the fight is, the better for Pac. I'm not totally counting Pac out of this fight. But over about 8-9 rounds, I see Mayweather finding home with a bunch of shots and making Manny miss frustrating him. I think inside of about 5 rounds, Manny has to make his move and try to get PBF out of the there. (easier said than done of course because of Mayweather's defense and counter punching ability) He doesn't have to load up for one big shot, but the first 5 rounds must be tough rounds for Manny in that he MUST tag Floyd with combinations.

The biggest key to Manny winning this fight is If he gets Floyd hurt, he must capitalize and stop Floyd. The guys that hurt Floyd with the cleanest shots have been southpaws (Corley, Judah). Now, those guys are not Manny of course, but I bring that up based on the fact that they were southpaws. If Manny lands a big left hand like Chop Chop did, he has to finish the work because if he allows Floyd to stay around, he might have a hard time catching him with something else big.

concerning Manny, I believe these are ALL legitimate questions to ask... Can Manny make the necessary adjustments if their game plan does not work? If his big shots don't find home, will Manny get discouraged? Once Manny realizes that Floyd is hard to hit, will he stay calm? Southpaws have found home with clean shots against Floyd, but will Manny do what the others couldn't do and that is capitalize after landing a clean shot?

[S.G.]

If Floyds uses movement early Pac has to try to close distance and throw punches even if they dont land.

I dunno, I think this would be suicide and, actually, I do think it'll be a notable factor in why Mayweather does win in the end. A lot of times Pacquiao opponents are too static or are coming forward so his flurries find a home, but when he's got someone moving backwards he falls short a little too often, and having already fully committed to the flurry he leaves his head wide open. We've seen this exploited in the past and I've not seen anything in his last four fights that suggests he's corrected this tendency.

I do agree with your assessment in principal though. Mayweather's gonna try to nick a couple of the early rounds with his jab but I don't think that'll be too difficult for Pacquiao to overcome as long as he's prepared for it.

[Silencers]

I think Pacquiao has to use his jab, not the type of flicking jab that he likes to throw, those would get counterd and picked off by Mayweather but the type of jab that he threw at the end of one of the rounds against Cotto. A stiff, ramrod jab right into Mayweather's chest, not to the head because Mayweather is really good at picking off jabs to the head, either by blocking and parrying with his hand or by moving his head. So Pacquiao should aim for the chest with his jab. I had never seen anyone throw Cotto off balance the way Pacquiao did with his jab, that was a revelation to me, it showed that Pacquiao has a very powerful jab but that he prefers to flick it to set up his other shots more than shoot it out. For this fight, he'll have to shoot it out.

He needs to use this jab to get closer to Mayweather, to back Mayweather up and throw him off, if Mayweather manages to get into his rhythm it will probably be a long night for Pacquiao.

He also needs to use his footwork to create angles and get closer to Mayweather, he needs to be able to cut off the ring but he has to be careful not to lunge in or go wild, his feet must always be under him, keeping his feet under him while moving is one of the things that has become much better with him lately but if he lunges, Mayweather would counter him or get out of the way.

Contrary to popular belief I think Pacquiao is best served fighting at mid range, not all the way and not all the way out, on the inside Mayweather can use his elbows and upperbody to maneuver Pacquiao around a little. I know that Cotto and Hatton weren't able to do it but Mayweather does it in different ways than Cotto and Hatton, he's more subtle with it, doesn't rely on only his strength to move people around.

Obviously all the way out means that Pacquiao will be at the end of Mayweather's reach which wouldn't be good for him at all.

Mid range I think is best for Pacquiao, it's where he can create angles with his footwork, where he would be able to dip and pivot the way that he likes and where he can get the best leverage on his shots while Mayweather can't get the most on his.

Once he gets into mid range he has to work to the body and head but smartly and with angles, move to Mayweather's left, throw a few shots, move to his right, keep Mayweather guessing, don't just swarm over Mayweather. Like I said in another thread, swarming Mayweather just wouldn't work, he'd counter you all night. One thing that works to Pacquiao's advantage is that Mayweather's shoulder roll doesn't work as well against southpaws, there are angles there for southpaws to land.

One more thing about Mayweather's defense, I believe his defense has a lot to do with muscle memory, what I mean is that it's drilled into him where the punches will come from, from orthodox and southpaw fighters but those drills are for more textbook punches which he can anticipate and roll/block/parry and counter. But Pacquiao doesn't throw textbook shots, he throws shots from all angles which will benefit him. Almost every opponent that Pacquiao has fought say they just aren't able to see the shots coming. Mayweather when asked has always said that Emanuel Augustus was his toughest fight, what Augustus and Pacquiao have in common is that they both throw shots from some really weird angles, Augustus got through Mayweather's defenses more than anyone else I believe.

Pacquiao will have to make Mayweather uncomfortable, make him work when he doesn't want to work, make him move when he doesn't want to move. Pacquiao will also have to use head movement and keep his hands up.

Feints should serve Pacquiao well also, feint that he'll throw a punch and get Mayweather out of position when Mayweather looks to counter, once Mayweather is out of position, blast him.

There will also be moments where Pacquiao can turn counterpuncher, when Mayweather leaps in with his hooks and right hands, he can make Mayweather miss and make him pay, he's fast enough to do that.

Anyways, he'll basically have to fight a perfect fight and I might have missed something when typing this out. I believe that Pacquiao is one of the ones capable of putting all this together but at the end of the day I'm still picking Mayweather to win.

And sorry for making this one long ass post.

[2501]

This may be odd, but what excites me most about this fight is seeing how Pacquiao will deal with Floyd's shoulder roll defense. Was Judah the last fight that Floyd fought who could provide different angles?

[Rabbit ♠]

The only way I see Pac winning is to stay busy, stay aggressive and hopefully the judges favor that.

[2501]

And sorry for making this one long ass post.

Dont be sorry. Tired of people posting "Pacquiao will win because Floyd is gay" or "Floyd will win because he's the GOAT"

[S.G.]

This may be odd, but what excites me most about this fight is seeing how Pacquiao will deal with Floyd's shoulder roll defense. Was Judah the last fight that Floyd fought who could provide different angles?

I think if Mayweather knows what's good for him he'll keep the shoulder roll to a minimum in this one. Not only is it less effective against southpaws but he'd be more or less handing Pacquiao rounds on a plate.

[Sweet Pea 50]

This fu.cking thread is a joke. Just passing by.