The Myth of Juan Manuel Marquez

[Kevin Jesus]

it wasn't marquez per se.

it was ignacio.

but same thing.

i'm not making any of this stuff up , kj.

Na, you misunderstood. I didn't say you made it up, Tua Sr.

Just saying since you posted it, people will believe it 100% since you're a credible poster 'round these parts. You get i'm saying?

[Kevin Jesus]

air enough kevin, but why did he refuse to fight pac for 750k and went to Indonesia for 33k?

I'm sure you now the answer to this. His team gambled and took the risk and they lost with their bluff. I remember so many people blaming nacho for this beause he was acting as manager of juan manuel during this time. Nacho was also responsible or turning down that 1.5 million offer from team morales. Personally I think those were managerial decisions that marquez did not go against. That how much he adores his trainer.

I don't know about the whole purse split details i'm just saying that Marquez could have something else to say about all this. Like a valid explanation to why these fights did not happen. It's hard to straight up believe a hungry guy, who was overshadowed by his countrymen, would dismiss the opportunity to get his name out there and do it for ducking reasons. Sounds like writers trying to play him, putting false stories out there about him since he was not in a position to defend himself against the media.

[Xeraser]

I don't know about the whole purse split details i'm just saying that Marquez could have something else to say about all this. Like a valid explanation to why these fights did not happen. It's hard to straight up believe a hungry guy, who was overshadowed by his countrymen, would dismiss the opportunity to get his name out there and do it for ducking reasons. Sounds like writers trying to play him, putting false stories out there about him since he was not in a position to defend himself against the media.

they stood on their principle on a supposedly rematch with PAC with the 50-50 split because the first fight was draw. In retrospective Pac was the bigger draw but the at that time they thought they deserved the half.

On proposed Morales fight, I think Arum offered them 750k and Nacho bluff and they wanted 1.5 mil. So Arum did not look back Pac and Morales ended fighting together .

So JMM wanted money and his advisor Nacho bluff and Arum did not bother

[Left Hook Tua]

I don't know about the whole purse split details i'm just saying that Marquez could have something else to say about all this. Like a valid explanation to why these fights did not happen. It's hard to straight up believe a hungry guy, who was overshadowed by his countrymen, would dismiss the opportunity to get his name out there and do it for ducking reasons. Sounds like writers trying to play him, putting false stories out there about him since he was not in a position to defend himself against the media.

ignacio always overestimated marquez's value.

ignacio looked at it as "the other guy is getting this much and we're only get this much?"

it's like he couldn't comprehend or accept how the system worked.

the hamed fight offer for example:

"They want to get us when all of our energies are gone (from negotiating)," Beristain said. "They are only playing with our heads. We never want to fight (Hamed). Who do they think they are? They came out with an offer of $400,000. It is not worth it."

now how many people would turn down $400k? especially in the lower weight divisions?

but ignacio looked at it as "why is the other guy getting paid more?" instead of "we can't get very many deal more than that."

that's why marquez turned down the fight and went to fight norwood instead.

he thought if he had a title that he could get as much as hamed in negotiations the next time around.

the concept of drawing power and a fighter's worth was loss on them.

[Left Hook Tua]

they stood on their principle on a supposedly rematch with PAC with the 50-50 split because the first fight was draw. In retrospective Pac was the bigger draw but the at that time they thought they deserved the half.

On proposed Morales fight, I think Arum offered them 750k and Nacho bluff and they wanted 1.5 mil. So Arum did not look back Pac and Morales ended fighting together .

So JMM wanted money and his advisor Nacho bluff and Arum did not bother

actually the offer was 50-50 split.

hbo offered $1.5 mil. purse to be split 50-50 between them.

ignacio didn't take the deal because he felt marquez deserved more than 50% because he was the "champion". (pacquiao was the lineal/ring champion but no sanctioning body belt. marquez had 2 org belts.)

[Kevin Jesus]

ignacio always overestimated marquez's value.

ignacio looked at it as "the other guy is getting this much and we're only get this much?"

it's like he couldn't comprehend or accept how the system worked.

the hamed fight offer for example:

"They want to get us when all of our energies are gone (from negotiating)," Beristain said. "They are only playing with our heads. We never want to fight (Hamed). Who do they think they are? They came out with an offer of $400,000. It is not worth it."

now how many people would turn down $400k? especially in the lower weight divisions?

but ignacio looked at it as "why is the other guy getting paid more?" instead of "we can't get very many deal more than that."

that's why marquez turned down the fight and went to fight norwood instead.

he thought if he had a title that he could get as much as hamed in negotiations the next time around.

the concept of drawing power and a fighter's worth was loss on them.

Hard to believe that Marquez turned it down but i'll take your word for it since I don't know much about it. Just out of common sense I don't believe Marquez had much to do with these decisions. I think that if it was up to him he would have taken the offers and it was one of those "I'll fight who my promoter tells me to fight" situations. Maybe he had no choice or power to pick who he wants, that's what I meant by Marquez could have a valid explanation to defend himself.

[Left Hook Tua]

Hard to believe that Marquez turned it down but i'll take your word for it since I don't know much about it. Just out of common sense I don't believe Marquez had much to do with these decisions. I think that if it was up to him he would have taken the offers and it was one of those "I'll fight who my promoter tells me to fight" situations. Maybe he had no choice or power to pick who he wants, that's what I meant by Marquez could have a valid explanation to defend himself.

they made a lot of bad decisions.

what if he took the fight with hamed and took hamed's 0 the way barrera did and did it before? now barrera and morales move up to 126 and marquez is the man of the division. big paydays no?

what if he took the immediate rematch with pac? improved 130 pac barely pulled off a controversial SD win. maybe jmm would have won the immediate rematch at 126?

what if he took the offer morales gave him? pacquiao took the same offer. they ended having a 3 fight trilogy at 350K ppv buys each. those are huge numbers for a super featherweight fight.

[Anti~Jalandoni]

where's the myth about that???

[Left Hook Tua]

where's the myth about that???

the myth is that barrera , morales , hamed , pacquiao all ducked marquez.

[Left Banned Tua]

bumped for jack