Brian Kenny: On Mayweather ducking Hatton/ Baldomir back then.

[DLT]

He didn't get shutout twice in a row. In fact, as far as I can remember, Morales was ahead half way through the Pacquiao rematch. I need to watch that fight again.

You're dramatizing ****, DLT.

IM not dude. Im not a hater. I just remeber watching the EM-Raheem fight and I couldnt beilieve what I was seeing. Despite what you think, I wasnt upset at the rematch. I actually thought that was more than justified but when you see the way Pac killed him and add that to what Raheem just did then it automatically would come to anyone's mind that EM just wasnt the same guy anymore so you should still give Pac credit for doing what he had to do but dont act like he did some legendary ****. That was my point and thats what everyone was doing. Now like I said, I was ok with the rematch but a 3rd? I dont care if its 1-1 or what, you cannot justify a 3rd fight between them after what just happened in those previous 2 fights. He had no shot at all at even making that 3rd fight close, let alone winning. If that had been Floyd then he wouldve been roasted for that **** and you know it. but if you want Pac to do it then fine but dont act like its a mega win after what already just happend but instead everyone went crazy again. I couldnt believe it. L

ook, I know that you are a die hard Pac fan so you want to back your boy but you cant back him for every single thing. Some things are obvious. I think Im the realist Floyd fan on here because he's been my favorite fighter even when he was a nobody. I started watching him super early in his career at the begining and he was instantly my favorite yet I still say when he does wrong things. I think some of the things he does, there is a genuine obviously reason behind it, but people just look at it in black & white and choose to call him a ***** or whatever.

Its all good man. Pac is a great fighter and I will never hate on that. Im a Pac fan. My thing has just always been that I think he gets mad hype for doing some things that other guys would be ripped for or they would get no hype for while people will also criticize alot of fighters for doing the same things that Pac is doing but they overlook

[Michael Hall]

nah...thats a bad analogy..

More like a surgeon should have performed a few surgeries to be considered a top authority on surgery. As opposed to a surgery geek that has read all about it, and watched a bunch of it, but never actually done it..

People that have never boxed may understand certain aspects of the game, but they will never understand it as fully and comprehensively as someone that has done it also.

There's book smarts, and then there's street smarts and actual application.

So Floyd, actually has a point. He knows more about boxing than Brian Kenny, or Larry Merchant

Awesome post!

[hugh grant]

So Floyd is supposed to wait for Hatton forever? Why? He went to move up for the big money Oscar fight and knew he could see Hatton again. Also, quit with that Hatton looked bad stuff. He beat a beast in Collazo. Everyone said he looked bad at WW because they were idiots and didnt know how good Collazo was. He wouldve had hell with Collazo at 140. Also, at that same time Floyd wasnt a WW, he was just fighting there. Hatton was 159 in the ring against Collazo while Floyd was 146 in the ring at that time. Dont forget that Floyd just beat Oscar at 154 so now you want him to drop from 154 to 140 just because Hatton is finally ready to fight? Yeah right. He met him halfway. People forget about that. Floyd wasnt coming from WW, he was coming from SWW

You are right Historians when looking at results or outcomes of fights dont look at who challenged who how many times and what not like that.
Its amazing the lengths PBFs fans go to defend his resume.
Hatton said he didnt think anyone could beat him at 140. Can you ever find hatton saying he was great at 147 and felt invincible? No you cant!

PBF was never going to stay at 154 anyway. He is a WW so he would be stepping down one weight class for hatton at 140. That is no problem for someone as supposedly as good as PBF. He had home advantage as well, so what more did he want?
Historians will look at PBF beating Hatton in his non favourite weight. End of.

[El Jesus]

How do we know how much the first Pacquiao fight took out of Morales? .

Does it really matter? Morales wasnt the guy he was at 122 and at 126 when he moved to 130. Morales first fight with pac was the last great fight he had left in him and will always be his signature win IMO and is what makes him an all time great. Basically beating a young hungry prime fighter when had clearly lost a step in countless featherweight wars and was fighting above what would be considered his best weight.

Pointing to pac as the reason Morales slowed down isnt correct at all, if thats the case we also have to look at how much Raheem took away from Morales, whom got to him before Pac was able to beat him. Which would be ******. Looking at it from a proper perspective, Morales was fighting on borrowed time against pac from the moment he accepted the fight.

[DLT]

You are right Historians when looking at results or outcomes of fights dont look at who challenged who how many times and what not like that.
Its amazing the lengths PBFs fans go to defend his resume.
Hatton said he didnt think anyone could beat him at 140. Can you ever find hatton saying he was great at 147 and felt invincible? No you cant!

PBF was never going to stay at 154 anyway. He is a WW so he would be stepping down one weight class for hatton at 140. That is no problem for someone as supposedly as good as PBF. He had home advantage as well, so what more did he want?
Historians will look at PBF beating Hatton in his non favourite weight. End of.

again man, who is Hatton? Why would the #1 fighter in the world who already asked him for a fight a million times, now come down in weight just to fight him? His future is at WW. He's not going to risk coming down for him and then losing when he comes back to WW. You make it sound like Hatton was Oscar with money or Pac with P4P. He wasnt. Who cares anyways. Lets not act like Hatton was going to beat Floyd at 140

[hugh grant]

Pac beat Hatton at 140, the weight hatton said he was invincible in. PBF did it at 147. So history will look favourably upon Pacs resume as usual and PBF will get criticism as usual, all his own doing.

PBFs fans say PBF would have beat Hatton at any weight. So why be scared to fight Hatton at 140. No more excuses. Let me have the last post here. I will have.

Now they are saying Collazo would have given Hatton problems at any weight as well.

[DLT]

Pac beat Hatton at 140, the weight hatton said he was invincible in. PBF did it at 147. So history will look favourably upon Pacs resume as usual and PBF will get criticism as usual, all his own doing.

PBFs fans say PBF would have beat Hatton at any weight. So why be scared to fight Hatton at 140. No more excuses. Let me have the last post here. I will have.

Now they are saying Collazo would have given Hatton problems at any weight as well.

He wasnt scared fool. Thats the point. He asked him a million times. Its well documented. You think he's going to ask him a million times, move up, later Hatton accepts, and Floyd is supposed to run back to him? The same Floyd that is the #1 guy in the sport and the super money guy after his fight with Oscar? Come on man, you know that is backwards. Pac beat Hatton at 140 but guess what, he wouldve beat him at LW and he wouldve beat him at WW. You keep saying what Hatton says. Who gives a **** where Hatton says he is unbeatable at? Pac might say he is unbeatable at FW but that doesnt mean that it wouldnt have meant anything if Hatton had beat him or if Floyd beats him now? Do you really think this is Floyd's best weight? Alot of people think Floyd looks like crap now and he's rated as maybe the best SFW ever but if he loses then he loses. Its all the same man. Stop being a Hatton homer.

[COACH WEBB]

Pac beat Hatton at 140, the weight hatton said he was invincible in. PBF did it at 147. So history will look favourably upon Pacs resume as usual and PBF will get criticism as usual, all his own doing.

PBFs fans say PBF would have beat Hatton at any weight. So why be scared to fight Hatton at 140. No more excuses. Let me have the last post here. I will have.

Now they are saying Collazo would have given Hatton problems at any weight as well.

I see you are having fun trolling about this hatton fight.

[COACH WEBB]

He wasnt scared fool. Thats the point. He asked him a million times. Its well documented. You think he's going to ask him a million times, move up, later Hatton accepts, and Floyd is supposed to run back to him? The same Floyd that is the #1 guy in the sport and the super money guy after his fight with Oscar? Come on man, you know that is backwards. Pac beat Hatton at 140 but guess what, he wouldve beat him at LW and he wouldve beat him at WW. You keep saying what Hatton says. Who gives a **** where Hatton says he is unbeatable at? Pac might say he is unbeatable at FW but that doesnt mean that it wouldnt have meant anything if Hatton had beat him or if Floyd beats him now? Do you really think this is Floyd's best weight? Alot of people think Floyd looks like crap now and he's rated as maybe the best SFW ever but if he loses then he loses. Its all the same man. Stop being a Hatton homer.

dont waste your time, he is just trolling like he does everyday about the Hatton fight with Floyd.

[hugh grant]

again man, who is Hatton? Why would the #1 fighter in the world who already asked him for a fight a million times, now come down in weight just to fight him? His future is at WW. He's not going to risk coming down for him and then losing when he comes back to WW. You make it sound like Hatton was Oscar with money or Pac with P4P. He wasnt. Who cares anyways. Lets not act like Hatton was going to beat Floyd at 140

Once again, everyone knows Hatton was the man at 140. So why did PBF want to fight Hatton, who was the man at 140, at 147? Makes no sense!

I keep wittering on about this because PBF says people will criticise him no matter what. Im showing PBF why!