Comments Thread For: Roach: "Mayweather is No Hatton, Cotto or Oscar"

[puroylan]

P4p

There's no doubt that Manny is the P4P. He never ducked anyone & has fought much more hall of famer boxers than Floyd.Floyd ducked Margarito,Cotto & Mosley for a long time. But if he beats Pacman next year,then he should be the P4P hands down.

[jkaisen41]

There's no doubt that Manny is the P4P. He never ducked anyone & has fought much more hall of famer boxers than Floyd.Floyd ducked Margarito,Cotto & Mosley for a long time. But if he beats Pacman next year,then he should be the P4P hands down.

Pacquiao beat Hall of Famers: Barrera, Marquez, Morales, DLH

Mayweather beat Hall of Famers: Hernandez, Corrales (probably I've seen fighters in the Hall for much less), DLH, Marquez pretty even again...

But to tell who is better based on Hall of Fame fighters is pretty ignorant don't you think? Mayweather has no influence of how his opponents turn out to be... Pacquiao was blessed to be there with Morales, Barrera etc. Floyd never had great fighters in his reach... Mosley at a time was one weight class over him but choose to move up for fighting DLH... and that was it basically...

Again dude check your facts... Mosley never wanted none until May beat DLH and had fame... May begged him for years for a fight (there was a time where Mosley was more famous then May) and now where Mosley wants to fight him... May has to??? Where do we live...

Cotto wasn't even at WW when Mayweather was there and fighting champions... at 140 he wanted none... don't hate the player dude, hate the game...

Margarito was a nobody and had nothing to fall back on then being a champion... which obvisouly doesn't count much because Judah and Baldomir (both had way better resumes at the time then Margarito) were just crap right???

Stop talking BS and put some sense into it... how can duck someone if Cotto and Mosley are not even in his weight class for the most part and Margarito was just sitting on his title... the only one that can be made a case of is Margarito... and if you think he ducked such an skill-les fighter alright... so be it... what a shame that he ducked the great Margarito... would have been a classic fight... Baldomir II

[GameBullDawg]

I used to believe intelligence and wisdom came with age, but in my 30 years I"ve met a lot of old fools. If you are old as you claim to be, then you have learned nothing. You are one of the most idiotic posters on this site. Your thoughts are illogical and you can't put together an argument to save your life. I"ve seen your posts. You are a certified moron. I actually thought you were around 10 by the quality of your posts.

Any fool can google.

Well, LOL, now I know what YOU ARE !!!!!!!!! LOL

[GameBullDawg]

articfool,

here are two threads started by you.
If at your old age, this is the depth of your analytic skill I pray to God you didn't reproduce.

http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=337256
How to stop Mayweather from cheating on the scales again !

Mayweather is gonna cheat again. Its in his heart to cheat, he did it against a little blown up featherweight named Juan M. Marquez !

The way to stop the cheating is not a 1 million dollar penalty but a "10" million dollar penalty for each Pound. If Mayweather wants to cheat and come in at 150 then he Pays 30 million bucks !! He loves Money to much to do that, but a Million compared to 30-40 million out of his purse is NOTHING and he will come in at 150 because he loves to cheat !


http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=337252
When is the last time Mayweather made someone look like Cotto looked after a fight?
I just can't think of any !!!! Ole FeatherFistWeather be in trouble and he know it MANG !!!!!!! LOL

I will NOT be surprised to see him want to change the date of the fight due to Pacmang calling his bluff and agreeing so soon to the match after the Cotto fight.

LOL, Little boy, with **** in yer mouth,,, Mayweather is the biggest cheater I have ever seen in Boxing, a pure BRAT. You are the same it seems to me by the way you talk. To stop Mayweather from Cheating in my opinion is to raise the forfeit to and ungodly number that HE WON'T CHEAT !!!!!

Is that so hard to understand ?????

Secondly , We see what fighters look like after Pac gets done with them,, just look at the last 4 fighters , all beat up but for Hatton, he was devastatingly KO'd , or did you see that one ?? I can't remember seeing Mayweather do that to ANYBODY !!!! My point is he is feather fisted , and not likely to make Pacmang look all beat up.

It looks like you are eat up with the dumbworms !!!!! If you can't understand then shutup and read and learn something. You need to go beyond the dumbass stage in life. Grow up dude, its past time !!!!!!!!!

[Starlyjff]

Freddie Roach: "Mayweather is no Hatton, Cotto or Oscar" General Boxing Forum.

I remember before Pacquao vs Hatton, Roach said Hatton was not really worthy to face Pac, that Pac should fight Floyd. So.

Look man, I know about talking smack, my comment is not a Freddie Roach attack. I also said it's talking smack in threads people started about how Roach talked trash about Mayweather, it's talking smack like Mayweather claiming he would crush.

[Godsent]

cmon fellas Roach is just using the Pacman approach

everytime pac has an oncoming fight he always spits "this is gonna be the hardest fight of all" then smiles like its something funny lol

[IronFistKilla]

LOL, Little boy, with **** in yer mouth,,, Mayweather is the biggest cheater I have ever seen in Boxing, a pure BRAT. You are the same it seems to me by the way you talk. To stop Mayweather from Cheating in my opinion is to raise the forfeit to and ungodly number that HE WON'T CHEAT !!!!!

Is that so hard to understand ?????

Secondly , We see what fighters look like after Pac gets done with them,, just look at the last 4 fighters , all beat up but for Hatton, he was devastatingly KO'd , or did you see that one ?? I can't remember seeing Mayweather do that to ANYBODY !!!! My point is he is feather fisted , and not likely to make Pacmang look all beat up.

It looks like you are eat up with the dumbworms !!!!! If you can't understand then shutup and read and learn something. You need to go beyond the dumbass stage in life. Grow up dude, its past time !!!!!!!!!

This is the last time I'll respond to you, idiot. Are you really asking why a defensive fighter does not have more KOs or damage to an opponent than an offensive one??? Really? Seriously? How man KOs does Whitaker, Wright, Hopkins, or Pep have. You don't know **** about boxing and you're 10yrs old.

[GameBullDawg]

Mayweather ain't cheated... he couldn't make the weight... it's unprofessional but it isn't cheaing. He could also come in at 147 and he didn't. Why??? Did he wanted to cheat for 2 and not 3 pounds *loooooooooooooool*

That's exactly what I'm talking about. MANG at his finest with no clue of how to compare things...

Manny is an offensive fighter... how can you compare his results to the one of Mayweather who is a defensive fighter. Is Manny also better as Willie Pep, Benny Leonard, Pernell Whitaker because he knocks guys out and these cats don't??? What does it prove dude??? Have you ever seen Manny Pacquiao box circles around an opponent??? I mean what is the point.

Say what you and Ironhead will say , thats cool..

I learned to look for things in a fighter , over the years , I have seen what makes a great fighter....

My beef with the mayhuggers is simple ,,,, I see no depth of knowledge what it means to be a fighter in the young people these days. I am not talking about skills. Its like there is a change in perception of what goes into making a great fighter.

I am extremely irked by Mayweathers style, not his defensive style,,, not his great skills , not his inherent radar that hollars incoming and the ability to make the right move at the right time ALA Benetiz ,,,,,, this is where you and Ironhead are missing what I have been saying using the Quitter approach, the uncle that Quit , my harassment toward Mayweather and the followers like you and Ironhead plus all the rest,

I will put it as straight as I can:

1. Mayweather is the best I have seen in defense in the lower weights. If Barrera or Morales were at the same weight as Mayweather , and they fought in their primes , I would have picked Barrera and Morales to whip his ass. NO such luck. Mayweather goes up in weight then FROM ALL APPEARANCES he Ducked fighters. You see it galls me to death to watch fighters from the late fifties to now take on ALL COMERS , fight there hearts out, NOT ABOUT STYLE , Great fighters with Heart,,,,, like Ali, who ran , danced whatever but he fought as game as a bulldog,, this is what I see missing in you young dudes, yall can't get a grasp on that . You think I am some old nut who's been cracked a long time ago. LOL,,,,,, Fraizer was a great fighter,,, game as they come but he never ran except to ya,,,, was he gamer than Ali, can't prove it by me, and I saw All of Ali's fights from Doug Jones to the last, and he was as game as they come, had a motor mouth but NEVER VILE !!! Mayweaters vile like Tyson,,,, and expression of the heart. Tough outwardly but coward inwardly, thats How I see him. If I am wrong , you can't prove it , it has to be done in the ring, if he would take on ALL COMERS then that would prove it but he is afraid to because it might take his O away, can't yall see that,,,,,??????????????? You young guys can't see that!!!! You spit on me with sayings like I can't speak right or say things in perspective, I can say that about yall, like yall aren't making sense ,its because we are coming at this Fight between Pac and jr at two different angles. Both have skills, this HAS NEVER BEEN MY ARGUMENT ,,,,,,EVER !!!!!!!! I have watched Pac and May , Pac shows game to stay ,,,,,, I am having a hard time thinking jr will stay,,, PROVE IT MANG !!!!!!! you can't , the fight will have too. If Pac can't get to him he loses and I will still think the same way until I am satisfied I AM WRONG !!! You can't prove it mang, neither can IRON HEAD.

I have seen so many fighters in my short lifetime that I can't remember them all but I learned that to stay in the big time and win you had to have more than skills !!! In other words, somebody will test you past your skills and that is what I am banking on Pacmang to do.

Pac is going up hill in this fight. The toughest fight of his life and I have vacillated a few times.

Mayweather is not a fight fans fighter but:

A fighter that won't take on all comers but

protects his status

spues vile from his lips to intimidate ( bad sign) ( bluffing)

cherry picks small guys

By the way wanting "WIGGLE ROOM" ???? He did Cheat on JMM ! No real man would have done that , but I believe he did it on purpose, just the way he projected himself in the post interview,, sic ! and by the way he would cheat on Pac, because its his nature.

in my opinion based on experince he has a HEART problem. All outside expressions are expressions from his heart, I could be wrong, LOL, but it will be have to be proved.

I have all my life pulled for the game fighter. He is the one who will take on all comers, won't try to cheat like Mayweather did JMM, not worried about his status , Has no need to intimidate, one who is skilled and game. He is outwardly , calm, respectful , not a hype job , always ready for a greater challenge, not like Mayweather who whipped a little guy named JMM and bragged on it. I despise That !!!!

The Quitters are the ones who spue their vile to intimidate, like Tyson,,, he Quit !!!! Mayweather Uncle QUIT,,,, might be in his genes, LOL,,, don't know YET , but we gonna find out,,,,, Jr. Might be a freak, one who acts CUR,,, Pay attention here , I have said this before and Yall didn't get it, I said he may be cur,,,, that means he may QUIT,,,don't know, his skills have kept everyone off him, but somebody will get on him,,,, pac is too small but he might get on him... Mosley would get on him and test his ass then we would see, Pac just might do it, I will have to go with Pac,,,, when all the skills is done,,,,if yall have any sense you will see in the Chavez Mayweather fight , that rogers skills was NOT ENOUGH and he had no heart to keep him OFF and in the fight and he QUIT.... I cannot say it any plainer.. If one quits he will quit again whether it be dog or man.

Pacman may not beat Mayweather. Mayweathers great skills may keep Pac off of him. He, outside of Mosley is the only two that has a shot at beating Mayweather,,,,, Lewis said that but I think most people think that way. I do or did before he said that. I would rather see Mosley fight Mayweather due to the size factor.

Williams can't beat Mayweather , Margo is out, Cotto is done, Mayweather didn't fight all comers , I can't prove that Mayweathers HEART will QUIT or give in to just surviving the fight until somebody gets ahold of Mayweather,,,, so I have go out on a limb and you and Iron head may cut the limb anytime you wish, but you and Ironhead will have to wait til March 14th to really rub it in and drive it home how wrong I was and ****** and idiotic and I will be here to take or to give it, smiles.

to sum this up,,, we are coming at this fight from different perspectives. Pacs skills are not the same as Jr.s skills,,,, I am hoping that Pac can get to him, get on him , plant some great shots on his chin, see him wobble , go down , hurt badly and after three or 4 rounds of getting the beating of his life see what he wants to do. His skills won't help him if he is not game to stay in a beat down , it will take heart and you nor Iron Head can tell me nothing about his heart , not yet.

[jkaisen41]

Say what you and Ironhead will say , thats cool..

I learned to look for things in a fighter , over the years , I have seen what makes a great fighter....

My beef with the mayhuggers is simple ,,,, I see no depth of knowledge what it means to be a fighter in the young people these days. I am not talking about skills. Its like there is a change in perception of what goes into making a great fighter.

I am extremely irked by Mayweathers style, not his defensive style,,, not his great skills , not his inherent radar that hollars incoming and the ability to make the right move at the right time ALA Benetiz ,,,,,, this is where you and Ironhead are missing what I have been saying using the Quitter approach, the uncle that Quit , my harassment toward Mayweather and the followers like you and Ironhead plus all the rest,

I will put it as straight as I can:

1. Mayweather is the best I have seen in defense in the lower weights. If Barrera or Morales were at the same weight as Mayweather , and they fought in their primes , I would have picked Barrera and Morales to whip his ass. NO such luck. Mayweather goes up in weight then FROM ALL APPEARANCES he Ducked fighters. You see it galls me to death to watch fighters from the late fifties to now take on ALL COMERS , fight there hearts out, NOT ABOUT STYLE , Great fighters with Heart,,,,, like Ali, who ran , danced whatever but he fought as game as a bulldog,, this is what I see missing in you young dudes, yall can't get a grasp on that . You think I am some old nut who's been cracked a long time ago. LOL,,,,,, Fraizer was a great fighter,,, game as they come but he never ran except to ya,,,, was he gamer than Ali, can't prove it by me, and I saw All of Ali's fights from Doug Jones to the last, and he was as game as they come, had a motor mouth but NEVER VILE !!! Mayweaters vile like Tyson,,,, and expression of the heart. Tough outwardly but coward inwardly, thats How I see him. If I am wrong , you can't prove it , it has to be done in the ring, if he would take on ALL COMERS then that would prove it but he is afraid to because it might take his O away, can't yall see that,,,,,??????????????? You young guys can't see that!!!! You spit on me with sayings like I can't speak right or say things in perspective, I can say that about yall, like yall aren't making sense ,its because we are coming at this Fight between Pac and jr at two different angles. Both have skills, this HAS NEVER BEEN MY ARGUMENT ,,,,,,EVER !!!!!!!! I have watched Pac and May , Pac shows game to stay ,,,,,, I am having a hard time thinking jr will stay,,, PROVE IT MANG !!!!!!! you can't , the fight will have too. If Pac can't get to him he loses and I will still think the same way until I am satisfied I AM WRONG !!! You can't prove it mang, neither can IRON HEAD.

I have seen so many fighters in my short lifetime that I can't remember them all but I learned that to stay in the big time and win you had to have more than skills !!! In other words, somebody will test you past your skills and that is what I am banking on Pacmang to do.

Pac is going up hill in this fight. The toughest fight of his life and I have vacillated a few times.

Mayweather is not a fight fans fighter but:

A fighter that won't take on all comers but

protects his status

spues vile from his lips to intimidate ( bad sign) ( bluffing)

cherry picks small guys

By the way wanting "WIGGLE ROOM" ???? He did Cheat on JMM ! No real man would have done that , but I believe he did it on purpose, just the way he projected himself in the post interview,, sic ! and by the way he would cheat on Pac, because its his nature.

in my opinion based on experince he has a HEART problem. All outside expressions are expressions from his heart, I could be wrong, LOL, but it will be have to be proved.

I have all my life pulled for the game fighter. He is the one who will take on all comers, won't try to cheat like Mayweather did JMM, not worried about his status , Has no need to intimidate, one who is skilled and game. He is outwardly , calm, respectful , not a hype job , always ready for a greater challenge, not like Mayweather who whipped a little guy named JMM and bragged on it. I despise That !!!!

The Quitters are the ones who spue their vile to intimidate, like Tyson,,, he Quit !!!! Mayweather Uncle QUIT,,,, might be in his genes, LOL,,, don't know YET , but we gonna find out,,,,, Jr. Might be a freak, one who acts CUR,,, Pay attention here , I have said this before and Yall didn't get it, I said he may be cur,,,, that means he may QUIT,,,don't know, his skills have kept everyone off him, but somebody will get on him,,,, pac is too small but he might get on him... Mosley would get on him and test his ass then we would see, Pac just might do it, I will have to go with Pac,,,, when all the skills is done,,,,if yall have any sense you will see in the Chavez Mayweather fight , that rogers skills was NOT ENOUGH and he had no heart to keep him OFF and in the fight and he QUIT.... I cannot say it any plainer.. If one quits he will quit again whether it be dog or man.

Pacman may not beat Mayweather. Mayweathers great skills may keep Pac off of him. He, outside of Mosley is the only two that has a shot at beating Mayweather,,,,, Lewis said that but I think most people think that way. I do or did before he said that. I would rather see Mosley fight Mayweather due to the size factor.

Williams can't beat Mayweather , Margo is out, Cotto is done, Mayweather didn't fight all comers , I can't prove that Mayweathers HEART will QUIT or give in to just surviving the fight until somebody gets ahold of Mayweather,,,, so I have go out on a limb and you and Iron head may cut the limb anytime you wish, but you and Ironhead will have to wait til March 14th to really rub it in and drive it home how wrong I was and ****** and idiotic and I will be here to take or to give it, smiles.

to sum this up,,, we are coming at this fight from different perspectives. Pacs skills are not the same as Jr.s skills,,,, I am hoping that Pac can get to him, get on him , plant some great shots on his chin, see him wobble , go down , hurt badly and after three or 4 rounds of getting the beating of his life see what he wants to do. His skills won't help him if he is not game to stay in a beat down , it will take heart and you nor Iron Head can tell me nothing about his heart , not yet.

Well, like said before watch his fights in the lower weight classes and see how he went toe to toe with mexicans and **** and broke them down... you always actin as he was never hit in his career. Corley hurt him and didn't you like Mayweather's response?

I pretty much conclude that you want to make a comparison between Mayweather and Camacho instead of a Mayweather and Whitaker right? You can't proof that you are right and I can't prove that I'm right... so basically we talking about your opinions. The difference is only that you state your opinion as a fact... that's what bothers most here... you can talk about everything you want and break everything down on what kind of underwear Mayweather wears and what it means about his mind... but until proven he has the same right to be considered ''game'' as anyone else dude... with the exception of DLH and probably Roy Jones he fought the most champions any fighter has had in his time... only because they couldn't hang with them doesn't mean they ain't ****... and if you think that ''only'' talent brought him there that's your opinion... if you think you can go through over 13 champions in your career without having a decent chin, set of balls, determination and mental ability... alright, that's YOUR opinion... I beg to differ. By the way Pacquiao is not the first guy who fights Mayweather and is game... what do you think he has done in his career? In fact I personally have to say that he brought the best game performances out of guys like Judah who usually have problems with their game... do you think they went in there for the paycheck??? Mayweather wasn't always a draw dude.

And to tell you the truth it becomes funnier and funnier... I mean I heard a lot of duck stories about Mayweather... but now he also ducked Barrera and Morales... WOW a new one... please open a thread *lol* how can he duck them when they weren't even in his class?

Like you said it's your opinion that he is a cheater... again not making weight isn't cheating if you can't do it... and if you will call it cheating it was the first time it has happened or? So, now he is proven a cheater??? Where did he ''cheat'' before? It was unprofessional I said before... but that doesn't mean that he cheated... his body couldn't make 144 but 146 so I don't know why you are so scared that Mayweather can't make 147... don't worry...

How often to you wanna ride the small guy theory now? He fought Marquez yes... that's it... Hatton fought at WW and was champion there as well... so how in the hell fought he smaller men?

If you ignore facts then you can think that but if you don't I'm really surprised how you theory about Mayweather ducking Mosley and Cotto comes about... because there is no way... I can understand Margarito but Mosley and Cotto and I'm really interested in hearing that stuff... by the way as he came to WW Judah and Margarito were the champions at WW... and Mosley and Cotto wasn't even seing at WW... you can start there with your story

[IronFistKilla]

Well, like said before watch his fights in the lower weight classes and see how he went toe to toe with mexicans and **** and broke them down... you always actin as he was never hit in his career. Corley hurt him and didn't you like Mayweather's response?

I pretty much conclude that you want to make a comparison between Mayweather and Camacho instead of a Mayweather and Whitaker right? You can't proof that you are right and I can't prove that I'm right... so basically we talking about your opinions. The difference is only that you state your opinion as a fact... that's what bothers most here... you can talk about everything you want and break everything down on what kind of underwear Mayweather wears and what it means about his mind... but until proven he has the same right to be considered ''game'' as anyone else dude... with the exception of DLH and probably Roy Jones he fought the most champions any fighter has had in his time... only because they couldn't hang with them doesn't mean they ain't ****... and if you think that ''only'' talent brought him there that's your opinion... if you think you can go through over 13 champions in your career without having a decent chin, set of balls, determination and mental ability... alright, that's YOUR opinion... I beg to differ. By the way Pacquiao is not the first guy who fights Mayweather and is game... what do you think he has done in his career? In fact I personally have to say that he brought the best game performances out of guys like Judah who usually have problems with their game... do you think they went in there for the paycheck??? Mayweather wasn't always a draw dude.

And to tell you the truth it becomes funnier and funnier... I mean I heard a lot of duck stories about Mayweather... but now he also ducked Barrera and Morales... WOW a new one... please open a thread *lol* how can he duck them when they weren't even in his class?

Like you said it's your opinion that he is a cheater... again not making weight isn't cheating if you can't do it... and if you will call it cheating it was the first time it has happened or? So, now he is proven a cheater??? Where did he ''cheat'' before? It was unprofessional I said before... but that doesn't mean that he cheated... his body couldn't make 144 but 146 so I don't know why you are so scared that Mayweather can't make 147... don't worry...

How often to you wanna ride the small guy theory now? He fought Marquez yes... that's it... Hatton fought at WW and was champion there as well... so how in the hell fought he smaller men?

If you ignore facts then you can think that but if you don't I'm really surprised how you theory about Mayweather ducking Mosley and Cotto comes about... because there is no way... I can understand Margarito but Mosley and Cotto and I'm really interested in hearing that stuff... by the way as he came to WW Judah and Margarito were the champions at WW... and Mosley and Cotto wasn't even seing at WW... you can start there with your story

Great response man. These haters don't understand that Mayweather has been in with all styles and has beat them all. In the lower weight classes he fought nothing but relentless,pressure style Mexican fighters. If Mayweather had no heart he wouldn't have rematched Castillo 6 months later. Dude a'int no quitter!

Mayweather steps his game up when the pressure is on. Pac is gonna test him and we are going to see the best Mayweather ever. Pac is going to brin the best out of Floyd and all the haters are gonna have to finally respect his heart, skills, toughness. Fighter of the decade!