Comments Thread For: Roach: "Mayweather is No Hatton, Cotto or Oscar"

[spinika7]

- Roberto "Hands of Stone" Duran
- Marvelous Marvin Hagler
- Sugar Ray Robinson
- Sugar Ray Leonard
- Pernell "Sweet Pea" Whittaker
- Thomas "Hitman" Hearns
- Muhammad Ali
- George Foreman
- Joe Frazier
- Joe Louis
- Rocky Marciano-
- "Iron Mike" "Kid Dynamite" "Baddest Man on the Planet" Mike Tyson
- Willie Pep
- Henry Armstrong
- Aaron Pryor (a fighter SRL did everything to avoid)
- Alexis Arguello
- Carlos Monzon
- Roy Jones Jr
- James "Lights Out" Toney
- Sonny Liston


Just listing some names here people. I'm sure the more experienced of you will point out some names i have omitted. Now consider some of the names on this list and if you really know your boxing you will come to the conclusion that Pacman is not even in the top 20 on ATG list (despite an internet poll staing otherwise) LMAO!!!. I'm also sure some of the Pacman fans prob won't recognise half the names on this list or have even seen any of them in action. Sounds to me like certain Pac fans on this forum are delusional about his standing in boxing history, or maybe you are all just overcompensating for your own "shortcomings" with the dietification of this guy. Here i though the Phillipino people were Catholic.

[Brassangel]

- Roberto "Hands of Stone" Duran
- Marvelous Marvin Hagler
- Sugar Ray Robinson
- Sugar Ray Leonard
- Pernell "Sweet Pea" Whittaker
- Thomas "Hitman" Hearns
- Muhammad Ali
- George Foreman
- Joe Frazier
- Joe Louis
- Rocky Marciano-
- "Iron Mike" "Kid Dynamite" "Baddest Man on the Planet" Mike Tyson
- Willie Pep
- Henry Armstrong
- Aaron Pryor (a fighter SRL did everything to avoid)
- Alexis Arguello
- Carlos Monzon
- Roy Jones Jr
- James "Lights Out" Toney
- Sonny Liston


Just listing some names here people. I'm sure the more experienced of you will point out some names i have omitted. Now consider some of the names on this list and if you really know your boxing you will come to the conclusion that Pacman is not even in the top 20 on ATG list (despite an internet poll staing otherwise) LMAO!!!. I'm also sure some of the Pacman fans prob won't recognise half the names on this list or have even seen any of them in action. Sounds to me like certain Pac fans on this forum are delusional about his standing in boxing history, or maybe you are all just overcompensating for your own "shortcomings" with the dietification of this guy. Here i though the Phillipino people were Catholic.

I'm not Phillipino, or a "new" boxing fan; heck, Pacquiao isn't even one of my 5 favorite fighters of this, or any era. But I'd still put him in the top 20 p4p list all-time.

Floyd? Not even close. He has a paltry resume compared to Pacquiao.

[jkaisen41]

The ring is there for both fighters to box, If manny can KO Hatton,oscar and cotto in the same ring size then why can he do the same to Mayweather??? Manny doesnt need all his opponent to stand and trade or does he?? He should be great enough to haunt down Mayweather and KO no need for boxing fans to beg Mayweather to lower his workrate or footwork so Pac can get another easy KO.

I told him that as well... this is not a ''who is the better Pacquiao'' contest.

Mayweather is a defensive fighter so why shouldn't he fight defensively?

I'm also not saying that Pacquiao isn't allowed to fight offensively.

Does fight like a man mean fight ******... well then yes, Mayweather won't fight like a man... he fights his fight... that's why he is where he is today... he always fights his fight... so if Pacquiao wins he will have to make him fight his way which I seriously doubt.

By the way moving is nothing unfair or something. Every body can do it... it's not a banned substance or anything... so I don't see why he shouldn't do it...

If Pacquiao developed so great like everyone said it shouldn't be a problem for SuperPac to beat a fraud, a ducker, a quitter, a *****... easy work for Pacquiao... Pacquiao only fights the best I'm really starting to ask myself why he fights Mayweather... Mayweather ain't a draw like Pac supporters pointed out correctly... and he also isn't a good fighter... he's a nobody... damn I wish Pacquiao would challenge himself a little bit more and fight a real WW... Floyd can't even beat up and fat, old, overweight Marquez... sad that Pacquiao always cherry picks loosers... could have been a great but now faces Floyd give me a break... he fought great fighters in his divisions but since moving up he ain’t challenge himself anymore... I once was a fan... no he beats up nobodys like Floyd... what’s the point... retire or fight a real fighter at WW... I mean what’s next probably want to face Yuri Foreman in Israel... grow some balls dude - what a waste of talent...

[jkaisen41]

I saw the fight live on TV,,,,,, and both were ATG's , Both would stomp a mud hole is yer precious Floyd,,,,, both were neither runners but used there feet to get into position to whup his foe.

What did the ATG Joe Louis say,,,,,,, "You can run but you can't hide " ,,,,, I guess he was an idiot and etc......... your language, you know it best,,,,, if you had seen boxing years ago , the term runner was used by lots of fighters,,,,, its this generation, yours that knows everything ?? Where were you when Marciano beat Walcott I ???? Where were you when Sonny Liston beat Patterson ??? Where were you when Cassius Clay beat Sonny Liston,,, Where were you when Ruben Hurricane Carter was fighting ??? Where were you when Curtis Cokes won the welter weight championship ?? Where were you when Danny Red Lopez fought ??? Where were you when the first fight between Ali and Frazier took place ??? Where were you when Carlos Ortiz was fighting ?? Where were you when the Gillette Friday Night Fights were in full swing ???? Some of us have forgotten more fights that you have seen.

Git off yer high horse boy and settle down,,,,,, and by the way didga see yer man Old Ugly Uncle Roger QUIT on his stool with his head hanging down ????

Somebody post this , I have to figure it out, I am not computer literate.

Chavez vs Mayweather II pt 5

What he is saying is simple and true... the problem is that you MANG my dear friend... you got some knowledge but you don't have any idea how to put it into perspective and this makes you sound ******.

Sugar Ray Leonard can't even be compared to Floyd because they fought different. But the truth is that Leonard fought flat footed against Duran and lost. In his second match he moved... against Hearns he moved... and against Hagler he moved... and there is nothing wrong with it but it's simply true.

The thing is that again all these fights have nothing to do with Pac - Mayweather. Pac is an offensive fighter... Mayweather is a defensive fighter... none of the one you mentioned can compare to this in any shape or form... You never seen somebody like Pac in years well... I've never seen somebody like Floyd ever. He has a great defense... but he also has more power then anybody else I've seen with great defense... and he can fight offensively as well...

Roger again has nothing to do with it... he was an different fighter... if you want to compare him compare him to his father... he wasn't as talented as Floyd but had the same style... fought against Leonard (lost via TKO, but I've seen better fighters go lesser rounds with him)... and moved on with his career even after getting shot. I know this doesn't help your agenda by telling everybody Floyd is a quitter but if you compare someone... compare him to his father... brothers not always alike dude...

Chavez-Mayweather proves nothing stylistic wise... you have to look for fights where a guy with great offensive weaponry (who basically could land on anyone) fights a great defensive fighter and how it played out. Chavez-Whitaker is the better comparison... Trinidad-Hopkins etc. Saddler vs. Pep (good example that great offense can overcome great defense) etc. Everything else is just balony dude... talk the real facts

[Cash Cow]

I'm not Phillipino, or a "new" boxing fan; heck, Pacquiao isn't even one of my 5 favorite fighters of this, or any era. But I'd still put him in the top 20 p4p list all-time.

Floyd? Not even close. He has a paltry resume compared to Pacquiao.

before 2003 fighting Barrera he fought nobodies..his resume was padded across Asia.....are you taking his pre USA record into consideration? You cant just pick and choose what fighters are significant on a fighters resume....you cant just say just because he fought Barrera & Morales that his resume is better....

you must also take into consideration when he fought those guys. MAB was washed up and so was Morales...he didn't beat any of those fighters in their primes...

Mayweather beat more fighters in their primes...which is the reason why i believe Mayweather has a better resume

[jkaisen41]

articfool,

here are two threads started by you.
If at your old age, this is the depth of your analytic skill I pray to God you didn't reproduce.

http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=337256
How to stop Mayweather from cheating on the scales again !

Mayweather is gonna cheat again. Its in his heart to cheat, he did it against a little blown up featherweight named Juan M. Marquez !

The way to stop the cheating is not a 1 million dollar penalty but a "10" million dollar penalty for each Pound. If Mayweather wants to cheat and come in at 150 then he Pays 30 million bucks !! He loves Money to much to do that, but a Million compared to 30-40 million out of his purse is NOTHING and he will come in at 150 because he loves to cheat !


http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=337252
When is the last time Mayweather made someone look like Cotto looked after a fight?
I just can't think of any !!!! Ole FeatherFistWeather be in trouble and he know it MANG !!!!!!! LOL

I will NOT be surprised to see him want to change the date of the fight due to Pacmang calling his bluff and agreeing so soon to the match after the Cotto fight.

Mayweather ain't cheated... he couldn't make the weight... it's unprofessional but it isn't cheaing. He could also come in at 147 and he didn't. Why??? Did he wanted to cheat for 2 and not 3 pounds *loooooooooooooool*

That's exactly what I'm talking about. MANG at his finest with no clue of how to compare things...

Manny is an offensive fighter... how can you compare his results to the one of Mayweather who is a defensive fighter. Is Manny also better as Willie Pep, Benny Leonard, Pernell Whitaker because he knocks guys out and these cats don't??? What does it prove dude??? Have you ever seen Manny Pacquiao box circles around an opponent??? I mean what is the point.

[krispy kreme]

Didn't he say something much different a while ago? Roach needs to make up his damn mind. If your going to talk ****, do it right.

[spinika7]

I'm not Phillipino, or a "new" boxing fan; heck, Pacquiao isn't even one of my 5 favorite fighters of this, or any era. But I'd still put him in the top 20 p4p list all-time.

Floyd? Not even close. He has a paltry resume compared to Pacquiao.

I hear that all the time. Have a good think about it though. Is it really true???Really not even close you say?? How bout you provide some evidence or an analysis as to why you think that is?? I say their resumes are directly comparable and about even. Lets consider the the top names on these guys CV's.


Pacman:

Cotto: A very good scalp indeed. However it should be noted that the fight was @ 145 and Cotto was savagely beaten by Margarito and IMO (and most others too) he lost the Clottey fight (regardless he still took alot of punishment from Clottey who throws very few punches). Great win by Pac, but i can't say i was shocked by him beating Cotto.

DLH: Had already lost to Floyd, had been relatively inactive and came down below 147 (first time in about 6 or 7 years if i am not mistaken). A sitting duck for any fighter with speed in his condition. not an impressive win in my book.


Hatton: Already KO'd by Floyd. A good win in devastating fashion, but thats not that hard to do to a guy who was jumping in and moving forward without moving his head AT ALL. Suprise suprise he was floored coming in by short check hooks.......

JMM: First fight is a draw despite pacman getting a 10-6 round in round 1. Second fight is just as close. Still it goes in the win column.

Barrera: In the twilight of his career.

Morales: Lost to a Morales not at the peak of his powers. Subsequently crushed him later. A good name but again caught at the end of his time.


MAYWEATHER:

Hatton: Fought Hatton when he was undefeated. Gave him his first KO in a fight where Floyd roughed him up on the inside and exposed his lack of defense.

ODLH: fought DLH @ 154 as a 147 pounder. Despite a SD on judges card Floyd clearly won 8 or more rds. He won 6 of the first 7 rds in my book. Oscar losing because he stopped throwing the jab is a fallacy to save face. This is the fight where Roach realises DLH is finished as a fighter.

Marquez: Dominated over 12 rds. Shold be noted he went up a few divisions and was never really going to have a chance. Used by PBF for leverage for an eventual fight with Pacman.

Judah: A fast and powerful boxer. A good scalp on any resume. Is mentally weak though as a fighter.

Baldomir: A good win despite what detractors will have you beleive. At the time Baldomir was considered by many to be a legit threat to Floyd or any other WW. Was on a good roll and held the WBC belt.

Corrales: In his prime. Was undefeated at the time, knocking guys out all over the place. Ringside experts had it as a 50/50 fight. Floyd tore Corrales a new a***hole in a vintage performance. Class all the way.

Gatti: Had been in plenty of wars. Put this win in same category as Morales win for Manny. Floyd battered him easily.

Castillo: Prime strong champion. Beaten by Floy on 2 occasions, though the first is disputed.


Looks pretty even to me!! Now explain to me why you think Pacs resume' is WAY better.

[puroylan]

War

I can't wait to see this fight.I still think Manny will beat Floyd.Floyd is a better defensive fighter.Pacman is no doubt faster & punch harder.I wil say it again,it will come down in conditioning.Floyd couldn't make 145 against Marquez.I know the fight is @ 147 but the fight is in less than 3 months.I don't think Floyd will be 100% ready when it comes to conditioning.Pacman won't have trouble with the weight & we all know that he's stamina is excellent.And Manny has elevated his game in his last 3 fights.He's much stronger @ 145-147. I was surprised how he took a bonafide welter punch from Cotto.And that's why I'm giving him a chance to beat Floyd. I see Manny coming forward side to side & Floyd will get hit like he never did before.

[jkaisen41]

I hear that all the time. Have a good think about it though. Is it really true???Really not even close you say?? How bout you provide some evidence or an analysis as to why you think that is?? I say their resumes are directly comparable and about even. Lets consider the the top names on these guys CV's.


Pacman:

Cotto: A very good scalp indeed. However it should be noted that the fight was @ 145 and Cotto was savagely beaten by Margarito and IMO (and most others too) he lost the Clottey fight (regardless he still took alot of punishment from Clottey who throws very few punches). Great win by Pac, but i can't say i was shocked by him beating Cotto.

DLH: Had already lost to Floyd, had been relatively inactive and came down below 147 (first time in about 6 or 7 years if i am not mistaken). A sitting duck for any fighter with speed in his condition. not an impressive win in my book.


Hatton: Already KO'd by Floyd. A good win in devastating fashion, but thats not that hard to do to a guy who was jumping in and moving forward without moving his head AT ALL. Suprise suprise he was floored coming in by short check hooks.......

JMM: First fight is a draw despite pacman getting a 10-6 round in round 1. Second fight is just as close. Still it goes in the win column.

Barrera: In the twilight of his career.

Morales: Lost to a Morales not at the peak of his powers. Subsequently crushed him later. A good name but again caught at the end of his time.


MAYWEATHER:

Hatton: Fought Hatton when he was undefeated. Gave him his first KO in a fight where Floyd roughed him up on the inside and exposed his lack of defense.

ODLH: fought DLH @ 154 as a 147 pounder. Despite a SD on judges card Floyd clearly won 8 or more rds. He won 6 of the first 7 rds in my book. Oscar losing because he stopped throwing the jab is a fallacy to save face. This is the fight where Roach realises DLH is finished as a fighter.

Marquez: Dominated over 12 rds. Shold be noted he went up a few divisions and was never really going to have a chance. Used by PBF for leverage for an eventual fight with Pacman.

Judah: A fast and powerful boxer. A good scalp on any resume. Is mentally weak though as a fighter.

Baldomir: A good win despite what detractors will have you beleive. At the time Baldomir was considered by many to be a legit threat to Floyd or any other WW. Was on a good roll and held the WBC belt.

Corrales: In his prime. Was undefeated at the time, knocking guys out all over the place. Ringside experts had it as a 50/50 fight. Floyd tore Corrales a new a***hole in a vintage performance. Class all the way.

Gatti: Had been in plenty of wars. Put this win in same category as Morales win for Manny. Floyd battered him easily.

Castillo: Prime strong champion. Beaten by Floy on 2 occasions, though the first is disputed.


Looks pretty even to me!! Now explain to me why you think Pacs resume' is WAY better.

I would tell it like this:

Pacquiao:

1st win over Barrera (the second fight Barrera ain't even showed up to win just to go the distance)

1 win over Morales (even though a fighter is probably past his prime you still have to beat it out of him... 3rd fight doesn't count anymore)

1 win over Marquez

1 win over Hatton (you could say that he was still the best at 140 at the time)

1 win over Cotto (one of the best WW's out there)

Mayweather:

1 win over G. Hernandez (who only lost to DLH besides May and will probably end up being in the Hall of Fame)

1 win over Corrales (a beast at 130)

1 win over Jesus Chavez

2 wins over Castillo (who was a bad MoFo in his day... only looses in his career prior were based on cuts)

1 win over Hatton (who was the best at 140 at the time)

pretty much even as well... but Mayweather overall fought more champions if I see it right... while Manny has won titles in more weight classes then Floyd.