I think I have figured Floyd out...

[Cash Cow]

I think I know why he seldom takes risk inside the ring, and why he avoids certain fighters. I remember him saying that he doesn't want to end up like Ali, so he fights smart. I think really he doesn't want to end up like his dumba** dad, or his uncle who clearly took to much punishment in their day. He looks at them, and the way they talk and says, "**** that I'm not fighting Mosley, Cotto, or anyone who has a chance of leaving me like that." Maybe he is not scared of loosing his 0, as much as he is scared as ending up like his crack head dad, and uncle.

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Well damn your post makes sense in "theory" until i start thinking about Mayweather so adamantly wanting to fight Manny Pacquiao!!!

I guess Mayweather DUCKS all of the fighters who he feels can threaten his "0".....I wonder why he wants to fight Manny Pacquiao so bad?

[Mayweather101]

He's scared of losing his "0" because that and his mouth are all he's got going for him. Everyone will agree that he's a boring fighter to watch. And as far as him ending up like his Unc and Daddy, there is nothing he can do about that, it's in the genes.

wht is wrong with having an 0? he never got a chance to fight cotto and mosley cuz he was retired.....why would he have fought mosley is it meant risking all chances for future money when cotto wasnt a mega star like floyd

[OaktownGhost]

I disagree. People say that back to me when I make that argument but I totally disagree. 1st off people dont want to admit it but Pac is bigger now than Floyd was when he was first at WW. Thats real. Even back then Floyd was coming into the ring against Zab & Baldy at 146 and Pac was fighting EM at SFW and coming into the ring at 147. Thats why I always laugh so much when people talk about Pac fighting all these big guys and Floyd picking on smaller guys. Go back at look at the weights for all there fights and you will see that its not even close. Matter of fact, its not even close in all of boxing. Floyd has probably fought more bigger opponents than anyone in boxing while Pac has fought more smaller one's. Floyd at SFW came into the ring at 136 pounds, at LW he came in at 139, at SLW he came in at 143, and at WW he came in at 146. Thats real. Pac was always the bigger guy in the ring in all of his fights, even when he was moving up. He just killed himself to make weight while Floyd wanted to move up super quick to chase the Oscar fight. Dont forget that he fought Oscar at 154 despite only being 146 at WW and Oscar just decapitating a huge Mayorga.

I can also pick apart a ton of Pac's resume and already have on here plenty of times so I wont even go into that. Nearly all the so called legends he fought were coming off of bad losses or subpar fights yet Pac was given mad extra credit for the wins. Look at Pac vs Cotto and tell me that he's not better built & stronger than Floyd vs Zab or Baldy. He is without a doubt. On top of that he is doing all this while being a Southpaw which is by far the biggest advantage in boxing. He wouldve easily lost both fights to JMM if he werent a Southpaw. Then you have to again look at the opponents. The Cotto & Margarito that people wanted Floyd to fight were prime killers. This Cotto was through and he for some reason got smaller in every fight. He was night & day from the guy who entered the ring against Cotto. Even Roach said that and thats why they took the fight. Oscar was a zombie and Hatton had just been KO by Floyd and nearly KO by Lazcano. Dont fall for all that stuff like he is doing something legendary. Again, he was already huge at the lower weights so thats why he could move up and then he's facing guys who are big names but had major major major questions at the time

Okay look I agree with the weight thing, and actually respect Floyd more under those terms because the motthafooka was like 137 fight night at light weight when he fought Corrales who came in like at 150 something I think, so I give him that. He's been fighting bigger guys most of his career, so anyone who says otherwise is a dumbass. Now back to Pacquiao. You make it seem as if he is a bully picking on little guys. Go look at the fight night weight of most of his fight, and you'll see that he did not have this huge weight advantage which you claim. The dude is 5'6 fighting Welterweights like Cotto who outweight him come fight night.

Give him some respect. Oscar was a zombie I won't argue there, yet Manny took the fight, and no one gave him a chance to win. The only thing he proved in that fight is that he could be a smart boxer because he was pretty calm, and taking his time dismantling Oscar instead of getting reckless. Hatton was just coming of an impressive win over Paulie, so don't make it seem as if he took Manny right after getting KO'd with Floyd. No one expected him to get knocked down the way he did. That was ****ing amazing. I thought they were going to go to war, but Pacquiao destroyed him. Regardless Hatton is still a good fighter. Foreman destroyed Frazier, yet Frazier came back and gave Ali a tought fight, so don't make it sound as if a knock out is the end of the world, or of a career, because many fighters have come back from knockouts, and did alright. The only reason you say Floyd softened Hatton is because Manny took him out so easy, yet the same scenerio would have occured if Manny would have faced him first.


Are you serious about Cotto? Roach didn't want the fight at first. What are you talking about? Roach wanted to drain Cotto to 143 because he thought Cotto at 147 would be to much for Manny. Roach was scared at first, and if you followed the pre fight Hype you would know that. He is a smart guy, and after studying Cotto, and training Manny he came to the conclusion that Cotto would be easy work for Pacquiao, but don't try to act as if he was handpicked, because if it was up to Roach Manny would have not fought Cotto. How was he huge at the lower weights? Everyone cuts weight and Manny is no exeption. Anyways I like discussing boxing with you, yet you sound slightly biased.

[Cash Cow]

He won't fight cotto but he will fight the guy that beat the living **** out of cotto?? Lol..you make a lot of sence...

If you think floyd is boring you are not a real fan. His style is like art..lol...no ****....so is pacs style....I just think floyd puts every skill of boxing to use...and perfected it....I think his boxing skills are the best thing to watch as a student of the game....

Mayweather NEVER said he didnt want to fight Cotto...

it was actually Bob Arum who DIDNT want to put Cotto in with Mayweather when they were both @140lbs, BOTH PROMOTED BY TOP RANK and BOTH had belts...

Mayweather, Hatton & Cotto ALL had belts @140lbs...they actually DUCKED HIM

Mayweather WANTED to fight Cotto & Hatton @ 140lbs but Bob Arum said No & Hattons dad specifically said..."Ricky isnt ready to fight Mayweather"......which is why Mayweather left 140lbs and moved to 147lbs

check the facts Einstein....

[DLT]

Okay look I agree with the weight thing, and actually respect Floyd more under those terms because the motthafooka was like 137 fight night at light weight when he fought Corrales who came in like at 150 something I think, so I give him that. He's been fighting bigger guys most of his career, so anyone who says otherwise is a dumbass. Now back to Pacquiao. You make it seem as if he is a bully picking on little guys. Go look at the fight night weight of most of his fight, and you'll see that he did not have this huge weight advantage which you claim. The dude is 5'6 fighting Welterweights like Cotto who outweight him come fight night. Give him some respect. Oscar was a zombie I won't argue there, yet Manny took the fight, and no one gave him a chance to win. The only thing he proved in that fight is that he could be a smart boxer because he was pretty calm, and taking his time dismantling Oscar instead of getting reckless. Hatton was just coming of an impressive win over Paulie, so don't make it seem as if he took Manny right after getting KO'd with Floyd. No one expected him to get knocked down the way he did. That was ****ing amazing. I thought they were going to go to war, but Pacquiao destroyed him. Regardless Hatton is still a good fighter. Foreman destroyed Frazier, yet Frazier came back and gave Ali a tought fight, so don't make it sound as if a knock out is the end of the world, or of a career, because many fighters have come back from knockouts, and did alright. The only reason you say Floyd softened Hatton is because Manny took him out so easy, yet the same scenerio would have occured if Manny would have faced him first. Are you serious about Cotto? Roach didn't want the fight at first. What are you talking about? Roach wanted to drain Cotto to 143 because he thought Cotto at 147 would be to much for Manny. Roach was scared at first, and if you followed the pre fight Hype you would know that. He is a smart guy, and after studying Cotto, and training Manny he came to the conclusion that Cotto would be easy work for Pacquiao, but don't try to act as if he was handpicked, because if it was up to Roach Manny would have not fought Cotto. How was he huge at the lower weights? Everyone cuts weight and Manny is no exeption. Anyways I like discussing boxing with you, yet you sound slightly biased.

I give mad props for all his wins. If you were on here at the time of Oscar and all those other fights, I was the 1st cat to pick Pac saying that Oscar looked like crap against Forbes at 150 so there is no way he is going to look better at 147. I give Pac credit for all those wins. Real legit credit but the difference between me and everyone else is that I dont go overboard and act like they are legendary wins. Theyre not. They all had another story behind them. Hatton did kill Paulie but he also fought a different Paulie. Paulie looked like crap in every fight with McGirt. I dont diss Pac. He is the real deal and deserves to be #1 and I think he is genuinely the #2 guy right now behind Floyd but I just think people treat him like a GOD when in some cases its not real.

That **** aint new either. I remember EM beating him then EM looks like he turned old overnight and got shutout by Raheem. He literaly didnt even come close to winning a single round against just a solid but average guy like Raheem yet no one cared. Then Pac stops him in the next fight and everyone goes insane. Im like, didnt you just see Raheem shut him out? Not only that but they allowed him to have a 3rd fight even though EM just had now been shutout 2 fights in a row and stopped in his last fight. I mean what did anyone expect to happend in his 3rd fight? Again he stops him and everyone goes even more insane. Im like how can you go crazy over that like he just didnt lose every round to Raheem? Then that same shot EM goes to LW and a ton of people think he beat Diaz. That tells you how bad Diaz is yet Pac picked him over Campbell, Guzman, Juan Diaz, and so on. Pac kills him and everyone goes insane again like Diaz just didnt go life & death with the shot EM. Pac moved up but was bigger than Diaz in the ring.

He then fights Oscar and Roach said that Oscar was done and he saw the needle marks in his arm in the ring from when they tried to rehydrate him before the fight. People picked Oscar because they thought he would have 15 pounds or more on Pac inside the ring but what happened? Oscar was only 1 pound bigger so again he didnt fight a bigger guy. Roach himself was the one that said Hatton wasnt the same after being KO by Floyd as he almost got stopped by Lazcano in the next fight. He then beat Paulie but anyone wouldve beat Paulie in that fight. He was so basic and garbage looking. Then we all saw the crap that he was going through in camp. Either way I give him props for it but again people went insane over it but no one cared when Floyd already stopped him. Everyone including Roach was saying that Cotto isnt the same guy after the Margarito beating. He knew that. He did hesitate a ton of fighting Cotto until they went to the Cotto-Clottey fight and thats when everything changed. Thats when they knew they could beat him and you heard Roach talk non stop about how Cotto is much slower now than pre Margarito.

I also talked about how Pac beat Larios and a ton of other guys coming off of recent losses and he moved up in weight alot but most of his opponents were also guys that moved up so its not like he was taking on power houses and he still was the bigger guy in basicaly every fight in the ring until recently. Im not hating on him, he's a certified beast for it and I made mad threads about how impressive he was in taking apart Cotto but thats not legendary **** he was doing like people are saying. The stuff he was doing is not 10x better than what other cats were doing. It wasnt. Also, where are your paragraphs, homie? That **** is hard to read bunched up like that. I also like debating with people who bring facts. Either way these are 2 great fighters who would do well in any era and it should be a great fight

[OaktownGhost]

I give mad props for all his wins. If you were on here at the time of Oscar and all those other fights, I was the 1st cat to pick Pac saying that Oscar looked like crap against Forbes at 150 so there is no way he is going to look better at 147. I give Pac credit for all those wins. Real legit credit but the difference between me and everyone else is that I dont go overboard and act like they are legendary wins. Theyre not. They all had another story behind them. Hatton did kill Paulie but he also fought a different Paulie. Paulie looked like crap in every fight with McGirt. I dont diss Pac. He is the real deal and deserves to be #1 and I think he is genuinely the #2 guy right now behind Floyd but I just think people treat him like a GOD when in some cases its not real.

That **** aint new either. I remember EM beating him then EM looks like he turned old overnight and got shutout by Raheem. He literaly didnt even come close to winning a single round against just a solid but average guy like Raheem yet no one cared. Then Pac stops him in the next fight and everyone goes insane. Im like, didnt you just see Raheem shut him out? Not only that but they allowed him to have a 3rd fight even though EM just had now been shutout 2 fights in a row and stopped in his last fight. I mean what did anyone expect to happend in his 3rd fight? Again he stops him and everyone goes even more insane. Im like how can you go crazy over that like he just didnt lose every round to Raheem? Then that same shot EM goes to LW and a ton of people think he beat Diaz. That tells you how bad Diaz is yet Pac picked him over Campbell, Guzman, Juan Diaz, and so on. Pac kills him and everyone goes insane again like Diaz just didnt go life & death with the shot EM. Pac moved up but was bigger than Diaz in the ring.

He then fights Oscar and Roach said that Oscar was done and he saw the needle marks in his arm in the ring from when they tried to rehydrate him before the fight. People picked Oscar because they thought he would have 15 pounds or more on Pac inside the ring but what happened? Oscar was only 1 pound bigger so again he didnt fight a bigger guy. Roach himself was the one that said Hatton wasnt the same after being KO by Floyd as he almost got stopped by Lazcano in the next fight. He then beat Paulie but anyone wouldve beat Paulie in that fight. He was so basic and garbage looking. Then we all saw the crap that he was going through in camp. Either way I give him props for it but again people went insane over it but no one cared when Floyd already stopped him. Everyone including Roach was saying that Cotto isnt the same guy after the Margarito beating. He knew that. He did hesitate a ton of fighting Cotto until they went to the Cotto-Clottey fight and thats when everything changed. Thats when they knew they could beat him and you heard Roach talk non stop about how Cotto is much slower now than pre Margarito.

I also talked about how Pac beat Larios and a ton of other guys coming off of recent losses and he moved up in weight alot but most of his opponents were also guys that moved up so its not like he was taking on power houses and he still was the bigger guy in basicaly every fight in the ring until recently. Im not hating on him, he's a certified beast for it and I made mad threads about how impressive he was in taking apart Cotto but thats not legendary **** he was doing like people are saying. The stuff he was doing is not 10x better than what other cats were doing. It wasnt. Also, where are your paragraphs, homie? That **** is hard to read bunched up like that. I also like debating with people who bring facts. Either way these are 2 great fighters who would do well in any era and it should be a great fight

You didn't tell me anything new. Do you agree with my post? Man Freddie was ****ting his pants when Cotto vs Pac was signed, and that is a fact. After studying Cotto though he wasn't so scared. Dude Pacquiao would fight anyone alive. He doesn't give a ****. Don't make it seem like he cherrypicked Diaz because he probably doesn't even pick who to fight. Arum, and Roach handle that, and Pacquiao just goes along. Of course he has a say, but ultimately he is just a fighter like he claims, and he could care less about who he fights.

[DLT]

You didn't tell me anything new. Do you agree with my post? Man Freddie was ****ting his pants when Cotto vs Pac was signed, and that is a fact. After studying Cotto though he wasn't so scared. Dude Pacquiao would fight anyone alive. He doesn't give a ****. Don't make it seem like he cherrypicked Diaz because he probably doesn't even pick who to fight. Arum, and Roach handle that, and Pacquiao just goes along. Of course he has a say, but ultimately he is just a fighter like he claims, and he could care less about who he fights.

NO, I definatly agree with that. Its not in Pac's DNA to fear another guy. I think he would genuinely fight anyone. I just think Floyd gets hated on way too much and gets too much hate for not fighting those WW's at the time. It was obvious to me what was going on. I was a big time Floyd fan but even back then I was like there was a cut off. I said from 130-140 he can hang with anyone in history and I think he would fight anyone or nearly anyone in history but at WW and above he's stretched. I remember a guy like Manny Steward during one of his fights saying something like Floyd is a good little fighter but I never put him on the SRL & Hearns level. He's not in that class. Then I saw a writer talk about how he's nothing compared to SRR and he couldnt even beat some of the guys that SRR fought. It upset me because you can tell by the way they were saying it that they were talking about WW fights. I was thinking like these guys are experts and they cant see how biased that is. How can you compare Floyd to those guys at WW when its his 4th class and he clearly doesnt look natural and it was all of those guys 1st class and they were super huge at the weight. I always say that if you want to compare Floyd to those guys then fine but be fair about it and compare them in a P4P sense. Sure SRL & Hearns probably knock Floyd out or give him a beat down at WW but if you compare the WW SRL & Hearns to a SFW Floyd then he more than holds his own. Thats his 1st class and he's solid at that weight. You have to be fair to him in that sense. He's also looked better at higher weight classes then they have.

It made me mad because on one hand Steward would say that and then on the next hand he would say that he doesnt see anyone beating Floyd except a "huge" WW. You could tell by the way that he was saying it that he was basically thinking like me. That no one his size will beat him but these other guys big guys could beat him strictly on size and I know he didnt want to lose that way. Thats why he said that he would retire before he lets boxing retire him. I remember saying "when does it stop". Meaning that everyone knows he's clearly better than a guy like Karmazin at 154 but at that time I wouldnt have been shocked at all if Floyd lost to a Karmazin strictly because he looked so frail at WW. He was like a flat board. All that has changed some now though. I remember Forrest losing to Mayorga and upset that he couldnt get fights. I remember Roger Mayweather saying that no one is going to fight Forrest. He said that Forrest doesnt bring big money and now he doesnt have a belt so why would someone take that risk? He said that Forrest would be a very tough fight for Floyd so Floyd aint going to fight him without Forrest having something to offer. I remember feeling the same way. I remember thinking that Floyd was better but deep down I would probably pick Forrest to beat him at WW because of the size. If you fast forward to now, I think Floyd beats Forrest at this size. I think he definatly beats that Cotto & Margarito that he wouldnt fight back then. Dont get me wrong, Im still not completely sold on him physcialy. Alot of it may have been due to JMM. I still think the strength & size of Mosley could be a shock to him but he's doing the right thing by moving up.

Thats what people dont get. You are supposed to go up in terms of tough fights. Thats why I dont get why people still talk about the WW's. I bet anythign that Floyd fights these cats now but he aint dumb enough to do it before he gets the big money fights out of the way. I mean seriously, why on earth would he fight a Williams & Mosley while he has a JMM & Pac fight on the line? Thats just dumb. You are going to take the tougher fights for much less fame & money over the bigger money fights with huge fame and rankings? I think he will fight Mosley but not until he fights JMM & Pac. Its the same though with all these guys yet they like to single Floyd out. Look at Shane. I disagree with everyone who say's he's scared of Williams. He's not scared of him at all but why would he fight Williams 1st when there is a very strong possiblity that Floyd or Pac will fight him? You dont risk those fights for Williams. Why would he take a fight in Williams that maybe tougher for him when he can make 5x as much against Floyd or Pac, get way more exposure, beat the #1 ranked guy in the sport, and its probably an easier fight?

People talk about cats being scared or ducking too much. Its a business. If Floyd told Williams right now that he gurantees him that he will fight him next and then at the same time Dawson comes calling for a Williams fight, what do you think Paul is going to do? He's not scared of Dawson but he aint dumb enough to fight him before he fights Floyd who is an easier fight for way more money and way more exposure. People need to start looking at it that way. People are still ripping Floyd for not fighting WW's but you have to give it time. Who would turn down a JMM fight and now a Pac fight? If he retires after this or fights Matthew Hatton and retires, then you can rip him but I bet he's going to fight the WW's, just not first. It doesnt make sense for him to do so

[montevideo]

I think I know why he seldom takes risk inside the ring, and why he avoids certain fighters. I remember him saying that he doesn't want to end up like Ali, so he fights smart. I think really he doesn't want to end up like his dumba** dad, or his uncle who clearly took to much punishment in their day. He looks at them, and the way they talk and says, "**** that I'm not fighting Mosley, Cotto, or anyone who has a chance of leaving me like that." Maybe he is not scared of loosing his 0, as much as he is scared as ending up like his crack head dad, and uncle.

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and he backs off when fast accurate wild crazy punches like in lower weight brawls start coming his way in quick succession can manny do that at 140-5 id like to see that

[Roxas]

is the OP blind or something? what has the whole boxing world been talking about for March 13th?

[OaktownGhost]

NO, I definatly agree with that. Its not in Pac's DNA to fear another guy. I think he would genuinely fight anyone. I just think Floyd gets hated on way too much and gets too much hate for not fighting those WW's at the time. It was obvious to me what was going on. I was a big time Floyd fan but even back then I was like there was a cut off. I said from 130-140 he can hang with anyone in history and I think he would fight anyone or nearly anyone in history but at WW and above he's stretched. I remember a guy like Manny Steward during one of his fights saying something like Floyd is a good little fighter but I never put him on the SRL & Hearns level. He's not in that class. Then I saw a writer talk about how he's nothing compared to SRR and he couldnt even beat some of the guys that SRR fought. It upset me because you can tell by the way they were saying it that they were talking about WW fights. I was thinking like these guys are experts and they cant see how biased that is. How can you compare Floyd to those guys at WW when its his 4th class and he clearly doesnt look natural and it was all of those guys 1st class and they were super huge at the weight. I always say that if you want to compare Floyd to those guys then fine but be fair about it and compare them in a P4P sense. Sure SRL & Hearns probably knock Floyd out or give him a beat down at WW but if you compare the WW SRL & Hearns to a SFW Floyd then he more than holds his own. Thats his 1st class and he's solid at that weight. You have to be fair to him in that sense. He's also looked better at higher weight classes then they have.

It made me mad because on one hand Steward would say that and then on the next hand he would say that he doesnt see anyone beating Floyd except a "huge" WW. You could tell by the way that he was saying it that he was basically thinking like me. That no one his size will beat him but these other guys big guys could beat him strictly on size and I know he didnt want to lose that way. Thats why he said that he would retire before he lets boxing retire him. I remember saying "when does it stop". Meaning that everyone knows he's clearly better than a guy like Karmazin at 154 but at that time I wouldnt have been shocked at all if Floyd lost to a Karmazin strictly because he looked so frail at WW. He was like a flat board. All that has changed some now though. I remember Forrest losing to Mayorga and upset that he couldnt get fights. I remember Roger Mayweather saying that no one is going to fight Forrest. He said that Forrest doesnt bring big money and now he doesnt have a belt so why would someone take that risk? He said that Forrest would be a very tough fight for Floyd so Floyd aint going to fight him without Forrest having something to offer. I remember feeling the same way. I remember thinking that Floyd was better but deep down I would probably pick Forrest to beat him at WW because of the size. If you fast forward to now, I think Floyd beats Forrest at this size. I think he definatly beats that Cotto & Margarito that he wouldnt fight back then. Dont get me wrong, Im still not completely sold on him physcialy. Alot of it may have been due to JMM. I still think the strength & size of Mosley could be a shock to him but he's doing the right thing by moving up.

Thats what people dont get. You are supposed to go up in terms of tough fights. Thats why I dont get why people still talk about the WW's. I bet anythign that Floyd fights these cats now but he aint dumb enough to do it before he gets the big money fights out of the way. I mean seriously, why on earth would he fight a Williams & Mosley while he has a JMM & Pac fight on the line? Thats just dumb. You are going to take the tougher fights for much less fame & money over the bigger money fights with huge fame and rankings? I think he will fight Mosley but not until he fights JMM & Pac. Its the same though with all these guys yet they like to single Floyd out. Look at Shane. I disagree with everyone who say's he's scared of Williams. He's not scared of him at all but why would he fight Williams 1st when there is a very strong possiblity that Floyd or Pac will fight him? You dont risk those fights for Williams. Why would he take a fight in Williams that maybe tougher for him when he can make 5x as much against Floyd or Pac, get way more exposure, beat the #1 ranked guy in the sport, and its probably an easier fight?

People talk about cats being scared or ducking too much. Its a business. If Floyd told Williams right now that he gurantees him that he will fight him next and then at the same time Dawson comes calling for a Williams fight, what do you think Paul is going to do? He's not scared of Dawson but he aint dumb enough to fight him before he fights Floyd who is an easier fight for way more money and way more exposure. People need to start looking at it that way. People are still ripping Floyd for not fighting WW's but you have to give it time. Who would turn down a JMM fight and now a Pac fight? If he retires after this or fights Matthew Hatton and retires, then you can rip him but I bet he's going to fight the WW's, just not first. It doesnt make sense for him to do so

I agree with you, yet he should have stayed out of the welterweight division if he wasn't going to fight the top dogs. Look people rip on him for fighting at welterweight, and not fighting the top guys throughout his stay at the weight, but the hate (I don't hate him) goes either way. For example Manny going to fight yuri at 154 would be similar to the situation Floyd is in. Everyone would say, "**** that if you're going to 154 fight a top dawg or don't fight there at all." That's all i'm saying. I pretty much agree with your post right here. Why?
Manny at lightweight weighted at around 145-147 fight night.
Floyd at lightweight weighted at around 137-139 fight night.


Moving up in weight for Floyd in my opinion was harder for then for Manny. That's my opinion and I know i'll get hated on for it, yet Manny has been fighting top dawgs throughout his move up in weight, and what he has accomplished is something magnificant. He was able to keep his speed, and increase his power because he never had to put on weight like Floyd did, so I see your point. Still you can't defend Floyd for not fighting the top guys based on your argument because if that's the case then he should go back down in weight. You can't argue though that both guys weight in nearly the same come fight night against bigger opponents. All this bull**** about Floyd fighting smaller guys is pure crap. The dude seldom has dehydrated himself to make weight throughout his career, and has always been a small guy, yet guys make it out to be like he is this huge monster.

come on man you can't honestly believe that Manny was a bigger guy picking on little guys. That's BS.