I think I have figured Floyd out...

[hugh grant]

Of course PBF has confidence in his own abilities. But he is human and scared of people like Pac and Hatton who could hurt him.

[The Great Shark]

Wow wall of text crits for over 9000.

I mean, its possible he developed that style to deflect as much damage from his head.

[OaktownGhost]

NO, I definatly agree with that. Its not in Pac's DNA to fear another guy. I think he would genuinely fight anyone. I just think Floyd gets hated on way too much and gets too much hate for not fighting those WW's at the time. It was obvious to me what was going on. I was a big time Floyd fan but even back then I was like there was a cut off. I said from 130-140 he can hang with anyone in history and I think he would fight anyone or nearly anyone in history but at WW and above he's stretched. I remember a guy like Manny Steward during one of his fights saying something like Floyd is a good little fighter but I never put him on the SRL & Hearns level. He's not in that class. Then I saw a writer talk about how he's nothing compared to SRR and he couldnt even beat some of the guys that SRR fought. It upset me because you can tell by the way they were saying it that they were talking about WW fights. I was thinking like these guys are experts and they cant see how biased that is. How can you compare Floyd to those guys at WW when its his 4th class and he clearly doesnt look natural and it was all of those guys 1st class and they were super huge at the weight. I always say that if you want to compare Floyd to those guys then fine but be fair about it and compare them in a P4P sense. Sure SRL & Hearns probably knock Floyd out or give him a beat down at WW but if you compare the WW SRL & Hearns to a SFW Floyd then he more than holds his own. Thats his 1st class and he's solid at that weight. You have to be fair to him in that sense. He's also looked better at higher weight classes then they have.

It made me mad because on one hand Steward would say that and then on the next hand he would say that he doesnt see anyone beating Floyd except a "huge" WW. You could tell by the way that he was saying it that he was basically thinking like me. That no one his size will beat him but these other guys big guys could beat him strictly on size and I know he didnt want to lose that way. Thats why he said that he would retire before he lets boxing retire him. I remember saying "when does it stop". Meaning that everyone knows he's clearly better than a guy like Karmazin at 154 but at that time I wouldnt have been shocked at all if Floyd lost to a Karmazin strictly because he looked so frail at WW. He was like a flat board. All that has changed some now though. I remember Forrest losing to Mayorga and upset that he couldnt get fights. I remember Roger Mayweather saying that no one is going to fight Forrest. He said that Forrest doesnt bring big money and now he doesnt have a belt so why would someone take that risk? He said that Forrest would be a very tough fight for Floyd so Floyd aint going to fight him without Forrest having something to offer. I remember feeling the same way. I remember thinking that Floyd was better but deep down I would probably pick Forrest to beat him at WW because of the size. If you fast forward to now, I think Floyd beats Forrest at this size. I think he definatly beats that Cotto & Margarito that he wouldnt fight back then. Dont get me wrong, Im still not completely sold on him physcialy. Alot of it may have been due to JMM. I still think the strength & size of Mosley could be a shock to him but he's doing the right thing by moving up.

Thats what people dont get. You are supposed to go up in terms of tough fights. Thats why I dont get why people still talk about the WW's. I bet anythign that Floyd fights these cats now but he aint dumb enough to do it before he gets the big money fights out of the way. I mean seriously, why on earth would he fight a Williams & Mosley while he has a JMM & Pac fight on the line? Thats just dumb. You are going to take the tougher fights for much less fame & money over the bigger money fights with huge fame and rankings? I think he will fight Mosley but not until he fights JMM & Pac. Its the same though with all these guys yet they like to single Floyd out. Look at Shane. I disagree with everyone who say's he's scared of Williams. He's not scared of him at all but why would he fight Williams 1st when there is a very strong possiblity that Floyd or Pac will fight him? You dont risk those fights for Williams. Why would he take a fight in Williams that maybe tougher for him when he can make 5x as much against Floyd or Pac, get way more exposure, beat the #1 ranked guy in the sport, and its probably an easier fight?

People talk about cats being scared or ducking too much. Its a business. If Floyd told Williams right now that he gurantees him that he will fight him next and then at the same time Dawson comes calling for a Williams fight, what do you think Paul is going to do? He's not scared of Dawson but he aint dumb enough to fight him before he fights Floyd who is an easier fight for way more money and way more exposure. People need to start looking at it that way. People are still ripping Floyd for not fighting WW's but you have to give it time. Who would turn down a JMM fight and now a Pac fight? If he retires after this or fights Matthew Hatton and retires, then you can rip him but I bet he's going to fight the WW's, just not first. It doesnt make sense for him to do so

I agree with you, yet he should have stayed out of the welterweight division if he wasn't going to fight the top dogs. Look people rip on him for fighting at welterweight, and not fighting the top guys throughout his stay at the weight, but the hate (I don't hate him) goes either way. For example Manny going to fight yuri at 154 would be similar to the situation Floyd is in. Everyone would say, "**** that if you're going to 154 fight a top dawg or don't fight there at all." That's all i'm saying. I pretty much agree with your post right here. Why?
Manny at lightweight weighted at around 145-147 fight night.
Floyd at lightweight weighted at around 137-139 fight night.


Moving up in weight for Floyd in my opinion was harder for then for Manny. That's my opinion and I know i'll get hated on for it, yet Manny has been fighting top dawgs throughout his move up in weight, and what he has accomplished is something magnificant. He was able to keep his speed, and increase his power because he never had to put on weight like Floyd did, so I see your point. Still you can't defend Floyd for not fighting the top guys based on your argument because if that's the case then he should go back down in weight. You can't argue though that both guys weight in nearly the same come fight night against bigger opponents. All this bull**** about Floyd fighting smaller guys is pure crap. The dude seldom has dehydrated himself to make weight throughout his career, and has always been a small guy, yet guys make it out to be like he is this huge monster.

come on man you can't honestly believe that Manny was a bigger guy picking on little guys. That's BS.

[Sugar Jay]

Mayweather NEVER said he didnt want to fight Cotto...

it was actually Bob Arum who DIDNT want to put Cotto in with Mayweather when they were both @140lbs, BOTH PROMOTED BY TOP RANK and BOTH had belts...

Mayweather, Hatton & Cotto ALL had belts @140lbs...they actually DUCKED HIM

Mayweather WANTED to fight Cotto & Hatton @ 140lbs but Bob Arum said No & Hattons dad specifically said..."Ricky isnt ready to fight Mayweather"......which is why Mayweather left 140lbs and moved to 147lbs

check the facts Einstein....

You ****ing dumb*ss when did i say floyd didnt want to fight cotto? you need to go back to english class and learn how to comprehend sentences.

read it again ******

[gqjohnb]

I disagree. Everyone on here pretty much knows my stance. I just dont think Floyd wanted to fight those cats at 1st because he didnt feel that he was big enough. He thought he would win but he might lose and he would kill himself if he lost to an inferior cat like Margarito just because he was too big for Mayweather to deal with. He's not going to go out like that. He was coming into the ring at 146 pounds at the time and looked even smaller than that naturlaly while the WW's were all huge & physical. Now I still think he's the smallest guy but he's probably put on 6 or 7 pounds and that makes a huge difference. People dont understand that. I bet anything that if he was the size back then that he is now then he wouldve had no problem fighting those guys. Thats why I think he was definatly going to do it now and still is. If Cotto wouldve won then I have no doubt that he would fight him and I bet anything that after Pac you will see him against a Mosley or whoever.

People dont want to face facts but the truth is that if Floyd had takened those fights at the time then he may not have been undefeated. Does that make him a *****? To same haterz probably so but if you know what he's doing then you shouldnt. Now he's 152 or 153 in the ring. He wouldve had to run for his life against Cotto & Margarito back then. He doesnt have to do that now. People hate on him because them cats lost but its not his fault. They couldve still had stayed on top while he was gone and he still wouldve came back now and had to fight them. People blame him for them losing and looking washed up.

It all depends on whether you want to make floyd look bad. I just cannot believe that he was that intimidated by a slow, cement boot, one dimensional fighter like margarito and a cotto of whom he called out but they said they weren't ready. And then said okay we're ready now floyd when he was making 20 million dollar fights. He called out mosley but he wrote him off were you guys calling mosley a ducker back then because floyd had a lot more credibility and had proven himself a lot more than margarito when he was calling out floyd. Yall are reaching fareal. I look at consistency. Up until floyd acquired some star power he was consistently going after the best fighters and legitimate belts and since then he's always looked for and got the biggest money fights. With this observation I see a different picture than you guys. Of course I don't know the guy so I'm not sure what his motives were but when I look at the facts I just don't see what you guys see.

[OaktownGhost]

bump,...,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

[El Castigador]

as great as his skills are, he's insecure about it... not only is he scared to lose his "0".. he's scared that he may get caught with something against a capable fighter..

So wait him signing to fight the P4P Number 1 fighter ad best WW......isnt a capable fighter ???

The hate never ends..people who claim they arent fans of floyd are so obsessed with what he does in and out the ring.

Why should fight like Gatti and get punched in the face..he has 4 ****ing kids for christ sakes.

[DLT]

Dont get me wrong, I dont think Pac was Paul Williams or anything. Im just saying he literaly was the bigger guy in the ring wether it be a few pounds or what. He wasnt picking on little guys or anything but people act like he's been the smaller man in the ring in all his fights just because he's moved up alot but thats not true

[DiLLiNGER]

yes. Don't get me wrong i am not hating. I think floyd would woop any of the guys he doesn't want to fight, and even pacquiao who happens to be my favorite fighter.

lol....................

[OaktownGhost]

Dont get me wrong, I dont think Pac was Paul Williams or anything. Im just saying he literaly was the bigger guy in the ring wether it be a few pounds or what. He wasnt picking on little guys or anything but people act like he's been the smaller man in the ring in all his fights just because he's moved up alot but thats not true

Okay let's agree that he is not the small guy people build him up to be, but let's also agree that he isn't and wasn't a big guy picking on little guys. Either that or... *picks up shot gun*