Comments Thread For: Mayweather vs Pacquiao: Arum Wants Manny To KO Floyd

[jkaisen41]

How can anyone make the distinction "who hits harder"? Unless you have been hit yourself, by both Floyd and Manny.

Corelone dude... what are you talking about... have you ever seen May fight. His style is based on fundamentals dude... that he has speed has shaped his style into what it is... if he wouldn't have that speed he would have to fight different... but it doesn't matter that he is a world class boxer...

By the way... I could say it too about Pacquiao... what would he be without his speed... hand and foot... nothing... he ain't no Roy Jones (Roy, if you read it, plz retire... it really hurts to see you like that)... he's fundamentally sound and if his body hold up he would give fits defensively into his mid 40ys like Hopkins does.

[myCoCainE]

The only way that would happen is if and when floyd sticks out his chin more than usual, which from what I remember last happened.... never.

[GameBullDawg]

[QUOTE=jkaisen41;6907333]

I understand what you say and to a degree I agree with you. Skills are skills but can be overcome no doubt about it... if it wasn't so nobody would need to fight each other and we could deal it on paper.

The thing that is different here is this... Mayweather doesn't need to hurt Pacquiao or Margarito. Mayweather fought his whole career against bigger men who tried to pressure him. He always fought like the smaller man in most fights even if he wasn't. And that's what I'm saying... I never said that Mayweather would knock out Margarito... but that's not needed to win against Margarito. Cotto as seen milds under pressure and if Cotto can't hurt an opponent with his punches he has problems because he ain't a good defender. It happened against Mosley to a degree, against Margarito and against Clottey... Pacquiao of course too. Mayweather ain't.

You talk like Pacquiao can run forward and run over him if he does... it will be short night. Marquez doesn't hit hard either and hurt Pacquiao with accuracy. The same will happen to Pacquiao if he tries to pressure him and does it without plan and goes crazy he will get caught with a shot he doesn't see and that will be it. If you watched you will see that Pacquiao has power and hurts his opponents and even though the stoppages from Cotto and DLH were right... he probably wouldn't have knocked them out... even though he landed a ton of shots... so again... if these guys take shots why shouldn't Mayweather too... and Mayweather won't get hit as often as these too... by the way Mayweather will train his ass off for this fight only because he said it will be easy don't be thinking that he doesn't take him seriously... he will make sure that he can move for 12 rounds.

Roach can have the best eye in the business but Roach ain't fighting Mayweather. Even if you have the right strategy you still need someone to pull it off. And if you look at the Pac-Cotto fight you will see that Manny breathed pretty hard as Cotto ''moved'' It's hard to hunt someone down especially if you get countered coming in. The difference is simply this... Manny is a fighter who really takes teaching well... but it is not natural to him... these guys he fought moving up couldn't exploit that. Mayweather will make him think... and Manny starts thinkin' it's all over... like stated defense is natural to May... I simply don't see it... heart will have nothing to do with this fight... so you will have to wait for somebody else to test May's heart.

I appreciate those thoughts mang ! Good thinking.

Skills can be overcome by power and Gameness, great example is Marciano vs Walcott for the title. If Rocky hadn't be game with power he would have lost no doubt, hey he was losing up to that classic punch in round 13 !

I might differ with ya on whether Mayweather needs to hurt Manny, he has to do something to make Manny stay away. Pacmang doesn't mind getting tagged, he showed that in the Cotto fight.

Pac is smaller , I am banking on his speed , his power but most of all his Gameness.
Gameness is Levelheaded-ness in the midst of WAR !
Gameness says no retreat !
Gameness says no QUIT !
Gameness says LOVE TO FIGHT !!!!!!!!! etc.............
Pacmang is game , he is all above and much more. I don't think he will BUM RUSH Mayweather LOL, Hatton is the bumrusher, heheheheheeheh but I do think he will put pressure on him even being the little guy and if it weren't for what he has done in his fights I wouldn't give him a chance for ARCTIC SNOW TO SURVIVE IN A FIRE !!!!!!

What we have here is HISTORY, enjoy, I am too young to have seen Armstrong, I have seen many fighters , lots of old fighters, Pac is a stand out.

Without implementing a strategy then its over for Pacmang !!

I see this fight with me standing up pacing the floor and ready to beller at the nice tv like a wild man, jumping chairs, tears running down for the gameness displayed in the depths of the chambers of hell struggling for an inch pulling the heart out of another, in the depths of those trenches , strategy's displayed to the max, doing all one can do to get the momentum and after having it make the other Pay the PRICE for being there, shattering his will POSSIBLY making him QUIT !!!!!!! Men and Dogs are the same here only that dogs are much gamer than men, smiles.

Yes and the Dog man don't have to fight for his dog. By the way I speak of dog fighting, smiles I don't fight dogs. Whew got that said , LOL !!!!! There is an Old saying , goes like this, a dog man takes a line of dogs and in ten years they will behave like he thinks ! Think about it. He applys his knowledge and the way he see's, (EYE) breeds the dogs for what he thinks is best , the only way to prove what ya got is set em down !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! One agin another ! They will tell ya the truth in the pit. Dawgs don't lie, it comes out.

What we have here are two trainers, their fighters are products to some degree to how they think, they aren't dogs but they can or cannot adhere to a strategy, the focus is to put that person into shape after strategizing and put him n the Rang to see the results, they won't lie.

We have two great fighters. One will fight anythang that wants to fight, the other WON'T !

That fact has put up the RED FLAG in my mind.

Pac will take Mayweather to the trenches of life and death or he won't , if he won't then he loses, if he does we will see what Mayweather is truly made of .

My fingers are fallin off, I am done fer the day , all the best, till next time. yer can't say it all in one day can ya ? smiles

[Imhotep]

Why does everyone keep bringing up the first Castillo fight without
taking into consideration that Floyd was injured and disregarding
the rematch in which Floyd beat him more convincingly when Castillo
weighed 147 while Floyd weighed 138 in a Light Weight bout? So
in actuality No one really knows what style can beat Floyd because
in the second Castillo fight, his game plan was not effective at all.

You have to understand the *******s need to sike themselves out to convince themselves that Manny is gonna win.

[ncpitbull]

so now boxing is all about brawling and not strategy? its funny u pacstards call mayweather a runner. i would love to see you all get in the ring and try to brawl it out ud get your ass kicked! i bet after getng tagged up you would figure out a way to avoid punishment! boxing is about styles man! just like ray leonard when he fought against hagler he had a game plan the name of the game is to not get hit! thats how pac has won all of his fights people try to stand in front of him and box him! thats not a good idea and floyd knows that! who wants to have wars to please u dummys then when they are 50 looking like ali or mildred taylor?! most of you people know nothing about boxing, about war tactics, or about boxing styles all you do is type comments and drink beer. justy like the paul williams fight this weekend Martinez' style puzzled williams and made him look very mediocre!!! Pac fans seem to be people who just started watching boxing and play video games all day what losers!!!

I’m not in this sport to see how hard I can get hit or to see how many big punches I can take. I am in this game to fight as long as I can. I am trying to dish a lot of punishment. - Floyd Mayweather

I was with you untill you said Pwill was made to look mediocre by Martinez. I think that really condescending to Martinez's high level of skill. Pwill looked more like he was in a tough fight personally. A fight where he had to use plans A,B,and C combined with some balls to pull out a disputed victory. But you did make some excellent points. When I see persons that choose to classify Floyd as a "runner or chicken", it instantly tells me that they are more of a fan, than a real student of the game. The first thing you are taught in a boxing gym, is the art of defensive. Hitting without being hit, and the various ways this can be accomplished. It can be done by with drop steps, and shoulder rolls (ala Archie moore). It can be done with good foot movement, combined with bending at the waist (ala Pernell "Sweet Pea" Whitaker or Sugar Ray robinson). There are various ways to soundly defend yourself without being hit. I consider it an art, some on this forum consider the opposite entertainment. To each it's own, but when people refer to a Floyd as runner, it's generally a pretty good gauge of their boxing I.Q and or experience. But I still enjoy the discussion at the same token.

[Mr. Philadel]

really?!?...why would Bob want THAT!?!?........man this isn't suppose to be a thread!!....

[jkaisen41]

really?!?...why would Bob want THAT!?!?........man this isn't suppose to be a thread!!....

I thought that a man of his age would only want health... damn, he hates Mayweather *looooooooooooooooooooooooool*

[ncpitbull]

Corelone dude... what are you talking about... have you ever seen May fight. His style is based on fundamentals dude... that he has speed has shaped his style into what it is... if he wouldn't have that speed he would have to fight different... but it doesn't matter that he is a world class boxer...

By the way... I could say it too about Pacquiao... what would he be without his speed... hand and foot... nothing... he ain't no Roy Jones (Roy, if you read it, plz retire... it really hurts to see you like that)... he's fundamentally sound and if his body hold up he would give fits defensively into his mid 40ys like Hopkins does.

What exactly is "Corelone"? You lost me with this whole statement.

"what are you talking about... have you ever seen May fight. His style is based on fundamentals dude... that he has speed has shaped his style into what it is... if he wouldn't have that speed he would have to fight different... but it doesn't matter that he is a world class boxer..."

Please explain the connection you are attempting to make? I said that how do you make the observation that Pac "Obviously" hits harder than Mayweather? Unless you have been hit by both Mayweather and Pac yourself? And your response is that Mayweather's "style is based on fundamentals, that he has speed has shaped his style into what it is"????????????? I fail to use how someone being fundamentally sound is the barometer for not being able to punch? Perhaps you were attempting to make a different point? I don't know?

[jkaisen41]

[QUOTE=arcticfalconer;6907630]

I appreciate those thoughts mang ! Good thinking.

Skills can be overcome by power and Gameness, great example is Marciano vs Walcott for the title. If Rocky hadn't be game with power he would have lost no doubt, hey he was losing up to that classic punch in round 13 !

I might differ with ya on whether Mayweather needs to hurt Manny, he has to do something to make Manny stay away. Pacmang doesn't mind getting tagged, he showed that in the Cotto fight.

Pac is smaller , I am banking on his speed , his power but most of all his Gameness.
Gameness is Levelheaded-ness in the midst of WAR !
Gameness says no retreat !
Gameness says no QUIT !
Gameness says LOVE TO FIGHT !!!!!!!!! etc.............
Pacmang is game , he is all above and much more. I don't think he will BUM RUSH Mayweather LOL, Hatton is the bumrusher, heheheheheeheh but I do think he will put pressure on him even being the little guy and if it weren't for what he has done in his fights I wouldn't give him a chance for ARCTIC SNOW TO SURVIVE IN A FIRE !!!!!!

What we have here is HISTORY, enjoy, I am too young to have seen Armstrong, I have seen many fighters , lots of old fighters, Pac is a stand out.

Without implementing a strategy then its over for Pacmang !!

I see this fight with me standing up pacing the floor and ready to beller at the nice tv like a wild man, jumping chairs, tears running down for the gameness displayed in the depths of the chambers of hell struggling for an inch pulling the heart out of another, in the depths of those trenches , strategy's displayed to the max, doing all one can do to get the momentum and after having it make the other Pay the PRICE for being there, shattering his will POSSIBLY making him QUIT !!!!!!! Men and Dogs are the same here only that dogs are much gamer than men, smiles.

Yes and the Dog man don't have to fight for his dog. By the way I speak of dog fighting, smiles I don't fight dogs. Whew got that said , LOL !!!!! There is an Old saying , goes like this, a dog man takes a line of dogs and in ten years they will behave like he thinks ! Think about it. He applys his knowledge and the way he see's, (EYE) breeds the dogs for what he thinks is best , the only way to prove what ya got is set em down !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! One agin another ! They will tell ya the truth in the pit. Dawgs don't lie, it comes out.

What we have here are two trainers, their fighters are products to some degree to how they think, they aren't dogs but they can or cannot adhere to a strategy, the focus is to put that person into shape after strategizing and put him n the Rang to see the results, they won't lie.

We have two great fighters. One will fight anythang that wants to fight, the other WON'T !

That fact has put up the RED FLAG in my mind.

Pac will take Mayweather to the trenches of life and death or he won't , if he won't then he loses, if he does we will see what Mayweather is truly made of .

My fingers are fallin off, I am done fer the day , all the best, till next time. yer can't say it all in one day can ya ? smiles

Hey, I enjoy a good talk as well... and as you see you now are even a little bit friendlier towards May... before the fight starts I got you on the May will win side *loooooooooooooooooooooool*

I don't doubt that with PacMan... many say he only fought over the hill fighters etc. but Cotto really made a believer in him being an all-time great. It's not like Cotto is an all-time great fighter but he's not easy to beat and if you consider Pacqiao coming from so low it's an great archivement... there are simply things that skills can't overcome... saw some great fighters loose during moving up against lesser opponents. And that's something that I said... Pac is an all-time great but Mayweather has all time great talent... after this fight I will finally know if Pac is not only an all-time great but also has the all-time great skills... and I will know if May is an all-time great on top of his skill. I'm not under rating Pac in any form... I would pick him even to beat Mosley... I as well called the Cotto fight absolutely right. I talked to Doug Fisher and he even published my thoughts on his mailbag. And if I say it will be easy for May it only shows how highly I think of his skills. But in the end of course it would be great if this great event has also an great fight but I to doubt it... but who knows maybe Manny is even an bigger beast then I think right now.

Again here I tend to differ... the punches against the ropes he all saw... and Cotto tagged him later while going backwards. Cotto ain't really stepped into his shots because he was back padeling and also could never really land an serious combo... I'm still not sold... he ain't got a glass chin or **** but I'm not 100% sold... punches that you don't see hurt you... and Pacquiao if he throws ain't used to to getting something back because most fighters only defend if he throws... if May CAN time him... I don't know... Marquez got him wobbly the same way... I don't know...

I don't know that much about dog fighting *loooooooool* But you ain't Mike Vick aren't you? This dog poetry makes me wonder *Loooooooooooool*

I hope that Pacquiao can make it competive... I'm all in for a great fight... I really hope it's true what you say

[jkaisen41]

What exactly is "Corelone"? You lost me with this whole statement.

"what are you talking about... have you ever seen May fight. His style is based on fundamentals dude... that he has speed has shaped his style into what it is... if he wouldn't have that speed he would have to fight different... but it doesn't matter that he is a world class boxer..."

Please explain the connection you are attempting to make? I said that how do you make the observation that Pac "Obviously" hits harder than Mayweather? Unless you have been hit by both Mayweather and Pac yourself? And your response is that Mayweather's "style is based on fundamentals, that he has speed has shaped his style into what it is"????????????? I fail to use how someone being fundamentally sound is the barometer for not being able to punch? Perhaps you were attempting to make a different point? I don't know?

I ain't talked to you... I talked to Corleone... the one you were arguing with... that's why I put it up front *loooooooooooooooooool* Even if Pacquiao hits harder then Mayweather which I believe could be true... it doesn't mean that May can't hurt Pac... I guess Hatton could also hit harder then May but still was the one who got hurt