Good Post on Roach, Pac and Roids.

[hugh grant]

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Like Paulie Malignaggi, Kermit Cintron, Andre Berto and Floyd, Sr, I am now convinced that Manny Pacquiao is a steroid user. Please note that I am using the word "steroids" to encompass all PED's.

Submitted for your consideration:


]1) Manny Pacquiao went from being a good/solid puncher who wasn't devastating opponents at 130 to being a one-punch guy who is KO'ing bigger men. Manny went 12 rounds with Oscar Larios (a 122 pounder moving up two divisions) but then he KO'd Miguel Cotto. In a short span of time.

I find it odd that the guy who couldn't drop a shot MAB two years ago can now KO David Tua. That is an observation.

2) Juan Manuel Marquez landed flush on Pac, and stunned/hurt Pac. Miguel Cotto landed flush on Pac to no effect. Observation.

3) The Wild Card Gym is a hotbed of steroid activity. Many of the athletes at WCG are steroid users. That is fact.

4) Freddie Roach's other fighters have used steroids previously. That is also documented fact.

5) Some of the guys that Freddie Roach considers as closest to him are chronic steroid abusers: Mickey Rourke and Sylvester Stallone for example. Documented fact.

6) Pac's head and hands seemed to have gotten bigger. That has been observed by a lot of people. That is also an indicator of mild acro, which is a hGH side effect. That is a widespread observation. to the extent that cartoons and caricatures were made on boxing boards - even before the steroid revelations arose.

7) Pac's genetics would not seem to indicate this type of physicality. His mother, his father, his brother. Looking more broadly, Pac would be a statistical outlier as an Asian welterweight. This is not a racist/xenophobic statement, but rather a statement of statistical fact.

8) I went to college on a wrestling scholarship and I wrestled at a high level. I have made weight A LOT, moved up in weight and been around A LOT of guys who have made weight. The ascent of Pac's physiology seems odd. To not piss people off, let me put it in a positive way, and the way that the commentators have: he seems 'one in a million'. This is an observation.

9) What we have seen is that when something seems too good to be true recently, it HAS been. I look at guys within boxing who moved up alot in weight: Mosley (roider) Jones (roider), Holyfield (roider), Pazienza (roider), etc. This is fact.

10) The Philippines are not well known for steroids. Unlike what PBF said. But the PI is well known for a healthcare culture. Many of the immigrants to the US have health-related backgrounds. I've met eleventy billion Filipino nurses, for example. And knocked off a few. Anyway, the Asian Rim (the geographic region, not the sexual trick) does have a thriving market in illicit pharmaceuticals , including steroids, insulin, supplements, bootleg pharma, etc. Most commonly, imported from Chinese labs. This is spec with a basis in fact.

That is a quick 10 of A LOT more....

You are entitled to believe whatever you want. I am not trying to convince anybody. But as a left-brained type of guy, if it seems too good to be true, and if it can't be explained.....

Cant you just accept people can improve over time? Marvin hagler improved after losing early in his career and so has Haye now. Haye was taking valuev punches when he couldnt take carl thompsons? Things are not always as straight forward as some people want to make it.
Pac never had an amatuer career, so he is learning on the job now with the best trainer in the business. So of course he will have improved just has like khan has.
If Pac had a haircut his head would look no where near as big. Optical illusion im afraid.

[illmatickid]

1) Paul Williams is more overrated than ever.
2) He looks like the indian dude from Street Fighter.
3) He falls down like a twig.
4) Martinez really won.

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[VERDUGO]

Ah look.
Another Pac and steroids thread made by a *****.

[El Castigador]

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[Killa_Kali]

martinez>williams.

[WhoreUs]

Didn't you get banned for spamming with Pac threads Burner?

[IMDAZED]

I will say this. If you are just talking about personality or the straight person then I would say that I would never suspect Pac if using roids. He is so unlikely. In that way he is more unlikely than even Floyd. However, I also think Pac is a bit of a yes man and I think its possible that it could be one of those situations where Ariza & team are doing something with thoes "supplements" that he could know or suspect is wrong but he doesnt want to know or want to suspect is wrong. I dont trust Ariza or Grahm at all. Grahm was already in trouble with stuff before.

I dont take supplements right now but Ive takened them before. Straight stuff but no roids. Even with that, what really got me wondering about Pac was when Senior was 1st talking about it. I didnt even pay any attention to it because I knew he was just yapping & Pac would never do it. I never even gave it one thought. Then here comes the interview with Ariza and he calls Senior crazy and then starts talking about a bunch of supplements that he gives Pac. Thats what truly 1st got me thinking. I thought it was such a weird answer. Like why would you talk about that? It sounded like something that someone would say when they are trying to hide something.

All he had to do was rip on Senior and said that there is no way Pac is juicing. Yet he says that Pac is not juicing but he's taking this this and that? Its like answering something that you didnt ask him about. Thats what guilty people do. I honestly just dont trust Ariza giving Pac supplements and him having guys around who were banned from Olympics for the stuff. Its weird. All that other stuff that people say dont really matter to me but thats the main thing. I think even Roach could suspect Ariza & company of doing something but the results are so good that he doesnt want to know or ask and he doesnt want to insult people because it may not be true but what if it is?

I also never buy the fact that a team member knows but the athelte doesnt but in this case I would buy the fact that Ariza & team may be mixing some things on there own and just giving it to Pac without him knowing. He probably dont even know **** about supplements. He's just taking whatever they give him but what are they giving him? I could see them giving him something that 90 percent legit but just putting 10 percent of some non legit stuff in with it. Again though, I could see everything also being 100% straight and I give everyone the benefit of doubt. I truly dont beleive that Pac & Roach are the type to go out looking for stuff or an edge but that doesnt stop others and it doesnt stop Roach & Pac from not knowing at all or maybe knowing but not wanting to know

That was truly a wtf moment by Ariza. He should be told to stay away from microphones.

[Killa_Kali]

That was truly a wtf moment by Ariza. He should be told to stay away from microphones.

wtf is wrong with supplements? all athletes take supplements and vitamins.

supplements are not steroids.

jeez, you need a tin foil over your head, dude.

[IMDAZED]

wtf is wrong with supplements? all athletes take supplements and vitamins.

supplements are not steroids.

jeez, you need a tin foil over your head, dude.

When did I say there was something wrong with supplements? Maybe you should take the foil off your head first and recognize context.

I swear, these idiots are so quick to play defense.

[Bogler]

Because I have heard that Donaire's wife is a juicer. And he is Filipino.

why wouldn't anyone here be surprised if you have AIDS and got it from ****ing your mother? because you're dominican.