If you like clean, effective punching, Sergio Martinez won

[mathed]

Seriously. A lot of people on here thought Hopkins beat Calzaghe, Dirrell beat Froch, JMM beat Pacquiao, etc. But everybody here thinks Williams beat Martinez. There's a certain stereotype it seems that only certain fighters are clean/effective punchers while backing up/boxing, and I know a lot of people like Paul Williams, but the fighters should be held up to the same standard. As the great Floyd Mayweather Jr. once said, "WHICH ONE IS IT?!"

As for the fight, there really was no clear winner, if anybody though you'd have to give it to Martinez, because he clearly landed the harder more effective shots throughout the fight. I know Williams was more busier but in so many other fights the argument is used that workrate doesn't matter, clean/effective punching is the determining factor. Compubox says Williams landed more but Martinez had the harder shots. Just look at Williams' face after and then Martinez.

I just looked at the master scorecards, and noticed something huge. The judge Lynne Carter (wtf are women doing judging boxing anyway), scored the first round 10-9, I don't know why, even the old geezer scored it 10-10, Lederman who had the only reasonable score scored it for Martinez. Now, back to my point. HAD Lynne Carter scored the round for Martinez, the fight is a Majority Draw. Now, everybody who watched the fight knows the punch Williams landed on Martinez in the first round never landed, it should be ruled a slip. Had that been scored correctly, we have Lynne Carter's scorecard ruling the fight for Martinez. It would still be a draw because of the other 2 gophers.

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I thought that the fight should have been ruled a draw as well but that one judge made sure that would not happen 119-110. The first rd should have been 10-9 Martinez or 10-10 worst case. Martinez had a much better kd of Williams and landed the better punches in rd 1, the Martinez kd looked suspect.

Close fight but boxing judging is trash lately and seems to always rip off the foreign guy.

[Calilloyd]

Martinez was superior in every category!

Defense - Martinez made Williams miss so many punches it wasnt even funny!

Clean effective punching - Thats not even deatable

Effective agression - Well look at martinez accuacy and all the times he hurt williams and made him look silly.

Ring Generalship - Martinez used the ring better, and adjusted very well in the fight, will Williams looed lost at sea for lots of round!!!

I dont care if it was by a point or 10, Martinez got robbed of a victory!!!!!!

In other words Martinez never missed punches, never got hit, never got hurt, Paul Williams didn't adjust after the first 3 rounds. Real objective observation you have there.
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[Ch@mpBox@PR]

In other words Martinez never missed punches, never got hit, never got hurt, Paul Williams didn't adjust after the first 3 rounds. Real objective observation you have there.
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Martinez got hit ut not as much as Williams did nor as hard as Williams did.

He made Williams missed so many punches and with his hands down, that **** was ridiculous.

Martinez didnt got hurt once, Williams got hurt several times during the fight.


The rounds Williams won was more of Martinez slowing down a it and Williams still throwing his usual amount of punches. He never adjusted during the fight. He kept getting hit with the same right hook repeatedly and then with the straight left to the body and never made a adjustment to nulify it!

[Crazylegs77]

Seriously. A lot of people on here thought Hopkins beat Calzaghe, Dirrell beat Froch, JMM beat Pacquiao, etc. But everybody here thinks Williams beat Martinez. There's a certain stereotype it seems that only certain fighters are clean/effective punchers while backing up/boxing, and I know a lot of people like Paul Williams, but the fighters should be held up to the same standard. As the great Floyd Mayweather Jr. once said, "WHICH ONE IS IT?!"

As for the fight, there really was no clear winner, if anybody though you'd have to give it to Martinez, because he clearly landed the harder more effective shots throughout the fight. I know Williams was more busier but in so many other fights the argument is used that workrate doesn't matter, clean/effective punching is the determining factor. Compubox says Williams landed more but Martinez had the harder shots. Just look at Williams' face after and then Martinez.

I just looked at the master scorecards, and noticed something huge. The judge Lynne Carter (wtf are women doing judging boxing anyway), scored the first round 10-9, I don't know why, even the old geezer scored it 10-10, Lederman who had the only reasonable score scored it for Martinez. Now, back to my point. HAD Lynne Carter scored the round for Martinez, the fight is a Majority Draw. Now, everybody who watched the fight knows the punch Williams landed on Martinez in the first round never landed, it should be ruled a slip. Had that been scored correctly, we have Lynne Carter's scorecard ruling the fight for Martinez. It would still be a draw because of the other 2 gophers.

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Good post. I figured the 1st round would have come into play with the decision. Martinez slipped and Williams didnt know who he was after his KD, imagine if there was time left in the round.

[mokab]

Hopkins beat Calzaghe
Dirrell beat Froch

Martinez beat (schooled) Williams

Williams was jabbing air half the time this is not effective aggression.
US judging is getting to the German standard

[ILLuminato]

You just hit the nail on the head. The TS even threw Mayweather's name into this which clearly shows his closet racist mentality.

LOL, this is a race thing now. Not on my side.

[ILLuminato]

In other words Martinez never missed punches, never got hit, never got hurt, Paul Williams didn't adjust after the first 3 rounds. Real objective observation you have there.
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Paul Williams was doing the same thing the entire fight. If it wasn't for Martinez stamina issues, it would've been a brutal beatdown. Tell me what Williams gave Martinez differently after the 3 rounds?? Besides landing slappy punches and looking like an amateur. If it was an amateur fight, I agree, Williams wins but this is not the amateurs.

[Xyei]

Good post. I figured the 1st round would have come into play with the decision. Martinez slipped and Williams didnt know who he was after his KD, imagine if there was time left in the round.

Yeah, that would have been interesting. I think Martinez could have stopped him if he had more time in that round. That was a vicious knockdown.

[fdotorres]

Paul Williams deserved that win. He toughed it out and his heart and valor at the end of the fight showed to be the proven dictator.

Martinez missed a lot of shots, Paul started reading his big wind ups coming in and started to duck to avoid them

you REALLY wanna talk about who missed a lot of shots...?

[fdotorres]

I had Martinez winning two rounds, that's it.

There were a lot of close rounds but I gave almost all of them to Williams. He threw more and landed more in all of those rounds.

omg, you're that judge's alt!!