If you like clean, effective punching, Sergio Martinez won

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  • ILLuminato
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    If you like clean, effective punching, Sergio Martinez won

    Seriously. A lot of people on here thought Hopkins beat Calzaghe, Dirrell beat Froch, JMM beat Pacquiao, etc. But everybody here thinks Williams beat Martinez. There's a certain stereotype it seems that only certain fighters are clean/effective punchers while backing up/boxing, and I know a lot of people like Paul Williams, but the fighters should be held up to the same standard. As the great Floyd Mayweather Jr. once said, "WHICH ONE IS IT?!"

    As for the fight, there really was no clear winner, if anybody though you'd have to give it to Martinez, because he clearly landed the harder more effective shots throughout the fight. I know Williams was more busier but in so many other fights the argument is used that workrate doesn't matter, clean/effective punching is the determining factor. Compubox says Williams landed more but Martinez had the harder shots. Just look at Williams' face after and then Martinez.

    I just looked at the master scorecards, and noticed something huge. The judge Lynne Carter (wtf are women doing judging boxing anyway), scored the first round 10-9, I don't know why, even the old geezer scored it 10-10, Lederman who had the only reasonable score scored it for Martinez. Now, back to my point. HAD Lynne Carter scored the round for Martinez, the fight is a Majority Draw. Now, everybody who watched the fight knows the punch Williams landed on Martinez in the first round never landed, it should be ruled a slip. Had that been scored correctly, we have Lynne Carter's scorecard ruling the fight for Martinez. It would still be a draw because of the other 2 gophers.

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    Last edited by ILLuminato; 12-06-2009, 10:23 AM.
  • ILLuminato
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    Another thing I noticed is that Pierre Benoist, the 119-110 judge, has not judged a competitive fight at this level in years, if at all. Most fights are lopsided decisions and TKO's. It may be that he sees Williams as a name, and as incompetent as he is, assumes Martinez is a nobody. That affects there scoring but I couldn't imagine that drastically.

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    • El Castigador
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      #3
      I had Paul winning by one round........

      And Sergio after the fight admited he took rounds off...that sealed it for me...Paul took no rounds off..he kept fighting.

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      • Rich Joke
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        #4
        115-113 Williams

        Deal with it and move on

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        • karrapato
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          #5
          Just analyse:

          Ring generalship: Martinez used it well, better than P-Will.

          Defense: Look to Accuraccy numbers. Martinez defense was way better.

          Effective agressiviness: Again, Look to Accurraccy numbers, than pick the momentuns of the fight and try to see who landed the best punches. We are going to see a lot of BIG leather on Paul Williams face.

          I gave this fight for Martinez for one round. But i Agree, could go either way.

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          • jmmfan
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            #6
            From what I've read, more people think Martinez won, so it's not too bad.

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            • Kevin Jesus
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              #7
              How about the people that said Froch beat Dirrell with aggressiveness and trying to make the fight?

              This time Williams was coming forward, throwing more punches, while Martinez was backpeddling, kneeling down, being sloppy in order to buy some time to rest.

              Which one is it? which one is it that wins fights?

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              • fightingfigs
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                #8
                Originally posted by ILLuminato
                Another thing I noticed is that Pierre Benoist, the 119-110 judge, has not judged a competitive fight at this level in years, if at all. Most fights are lopsided decisions and TKO's. It may be that he sees Williams as a name, and as incompetent as he is, assumes Martinez is a nobody. That affects there scoring but I couldn't imagine that drastically.
                Paul Williams deserved that win. He toughed it out and his heart and valor at the end of the fight showed to be the proven dictator.

                Martinez missed a lot of shots, Paul started reading his big wind ups coming in and started to duck to avoid them

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                • Joe2608
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                  #9
                  It seems to be that people change their opinions based on who's fighting.

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                  • ILLuminato
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                    #10
                    Originally posted by Kevin Jesus
                    How about the people that said Froch beat Dirrell with aggressiveness and trying to make the fight?

                    This time Williams was coming forward, throwing more punches, while Martinez was backpeddling, kneeling down, being sloppy in order to buy some time to rest.

                    Which one is it? which one is it that wins fights?
                    But I bet you still say Dirrell won the fight, right? Williams was the sloppy one he turned orthodox sometimes he was so sloppy, looked like an amateur.

                    Originally posted by fightingfigs
                    Paul Williams deserved that win. He toughed it out and his heart and valor at the end of the fight showed to be the proven dictator.

                    Martinez missed a lot of shots, Paul started reading his big wind ups coming in and started to duck to avoid them
                    Skill wins fights. Not heart and valor. Martinez was catching and adapting to Williams the whole night. Notice how he starting throwing that straight to the body and came back with the hook. Paul wasn't reading anything except blood.
                    Originally posted by King Burner
                    I had Paul winning by one round........

                    And Sergio after the fight admited he took rounds off...that sealed it for me...Paul took no rounds off..he kept fighting.
                    Oscar De La Hoya took a few rounds off and got robbed against Tito, are you implying this was the same thing??

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