Has Paul Williams' stock went down or up in your opinion?

[FLY TY]

Williams stock should of gone up imo.

He fought a fighter who stylistically should cause him hell but he was able to be competitive and edge out a close win.

Martinez's shock has really gone up.

Cotto - Mosley was a bad example might i add. Cotto won that fight quite clearly.

Cotto - Clottey was alot closer.

the first three rounds of the fight, i was like, "here goes quintana I, all over again!"

i was impressed williams didn't quit, and gutted it out....but there were a few times it looked like martinez was gassed and ready to go. i thought had williams just jumped on him, especially when he had martinez trapped in the corners, a few shots could've ended the fight. williams fought overly cautious, and didn't "sit" on his punches as he had began to in previous fights.

[βetamax]

He whipped Kermit Cintron pretty easily on HBO. Knocking him down for a 10 count. After that was unexplainably reversed they fought on to a disgraceful "draw". The guy can fight and is one of the best p4p in the world. He's a world champ at 154. His only loss was to Margarito almost 10 years ago. And who's to say Margarito wasn't loading his gloves then? I really don't understand the criticism foR Williams after he took on one of the best in the world and won a close, tough, fight. Actually I do understand it when I see who's posting it.

I agree. I've been impressed with him for a while and I knew he would give Williams a tough fight since he had all the tools to do so.

The Margarito fight doesn't really mean much. Lampley said he didn't even start boxing until he was 19 or 21 (can't remember which) and that fight took place when he was roughly 24 so he was pretty inexperienced at the time.

As far as Williams he's still a guy who could probably still be hiding out at 147 so you have to give him some credit for taking on fighters (in this case the best at 154) at higher weight classes. Guys like Quintana and Martinez present a style matchup that's his kryptonite but he's still a serious threat to anyone else from 147-160. I think I'd still put him at the tail end of the top 10 P4P list.

[r.burgundy]

williams stock has to definitely drop a bit.only thing he really has goin for him is height.he cannot deal with movement and his defense is abysmal.i can only imagine if that was james kirkland in that ring or even pavlik.with that bein said,he made a fan outta me last nite.he showed toughness that most just dont have,and he cmes to fight.gotta love it

[Check]

Both their stocks went up imo. Fighting a Southpaw is tough but fighting a slick Southpaw is even tougher. BTW, Cotto clearly beat Mosley. The Clottey fight was closer but Miguel was hungrier and took it away from Clottey. Your hate for Miguel is damn strong.

[freedom213]

I read a good post earlier. Every good fighter gets what people call a gift decision at least once in their career.

Mayweather vs. Castillo 1

Dawson vs. Johnson 1

JMM vs. Pac 2

Mosley vs. De La Hoya 2

Cotto vs. Mosley and Cotto vs. Clottey

So does this mean that Paul Williams is a garbage fighter just because of a couple of judges being a little bit generous to him. I can definitely see Williams winning the fight too because it seemed like Sergio was done at the end and he was initiating clinches like crazy. I thought that kind of ruined the fight a little bit. Because when I saw that, I thought to myself this fight is gonna go the distance for sure. Williams acted like he wanted it more, and that to me, was the difference.

your question is good but your examples of gift decisions as usual sucks, with the exception of the Molsey DLH2 fight!

P.Will stock went down mainly but I have to say he has a good beard. He got blasted all night long and in his post fight interview I thought he still acted like he was in lala land. hat fight may take something out of him but maybe not. He showed that he should stick to 154 and if he can get to 147 even better.

[freedom213]

I am curious just how much time did Martinez have to prepare for this fight? I assume the 160 weight limit was so he could sub in since he had short notice.

[savorduhflavor]

I read a good post earlier. Every good fighter gets what people call a gift decision at least once in their career.

Mayweather vs. Castillo 1

Dawson vs. Johnson 1

JMM vs. Pac 2

Mosley vs. De La Hoya 2

Cotto vs. Mosley and Cotto vs. Clottey

So does this mean that Paul Williams is a garbage fighter just because of a couple of judges being a little bit generous to him. I can definitely see Williams winning the fight too because it seemed like Sergio was done at the end and he was initiating clinches like crazy. I thought that kind of ruined the fight a little bit. Because when I saw that, I thought to myself this fight is gonna go the distance for sure. Williams acted like he wanted it more, and that to me, was the difference.

God damn are your examples ******.

But, in terms of the question, I think his stock stayed the same. He was in there with a guy that I knew would give him a lot of problems. And Williams, to quote Dennis Green, is exactly who I thought he was. A fairly vast volume puncher that punches from all angles with decent pop, and a solid chin. There's nothing great about him except his stamina/workrate and his god given stature.

But he does have great heart and will. Williams' intangibles are what impressed me in this fight. There will be some doubts on his chin now though. He still has a good chin, but people before this fight were talking about him having the best chin in the sport and that's just crazy. He got hurt SEVERAL times against a guy that's not a huge puncher.

Overall though, his stock stays the same.

[Pullcounter]

I read a good post earlier. Every good fighter gets what people call a gift decision at least once in their career.

Mayweather vs. Castillo 1

Dawson vs. Johnson 1

JMM vs. Pac 2

Mosley vs. De La Hoya 2

Cotto vs. Mosley and Cotto vs. Clottey

So does this mean that Paul Williams is a garbage fighter just because of a couple of judges being a little bit generous to him. I can definitely see Williams winning the fight too because it seemed like Sergio was done at the end and he was initiating clinches like crazy. I thought that kind of ruined the fight a little bit. Because when I saw that, I thought to myself this fight is gonna go the distance for sure. Williams acted like he wanted it more, and that to me, was the difference.

it means pwill didn't learn from his mistake in the 1st quintana fight.

[deliveryman]

I wouldn't say Paul's stock has dropped, however his aura of invincibility has definitely been shattered. Although Williams would cause problems and could beat anyone between 147-160 on any given night, he is definitely beatable.

[El Castigador]

it means pwill didn't learn from his mistake in the 1st quintana fight.

What he fought his as off...

What dont you understand???

SLICK...LEFT HAND COUNTER PUNCHERS....are his ******nite and he stills fight them..**** what you heard hes a ****ing warriow who fights any style not just face-first brawlers like one fighter I know.....