Vitali KlitschkO

[AintGottaClue]

Now that makes sense to me! Lennox didnt retire to avoid Vitali..not by a long shot!

right.......

[tracylee]

right.......

Hey, I know some cant accept that big, bad Vitali did NOT in fact run Lennox off...I learned that long ago, and have no problem with it. I just dont agree, thats all!

[Super_Lightweight]

lol

Byrd is most definitely NOT available. That's a dumbass comment. Byrd is afraid of Wladimir so why the hell would he fight Vitali? Hell, half the people in boxing would rather Vitali fight Rahman and that is what he is doing.

Byrd did not beat Vitali. Vitali lost, but Byrd did not do anything to beat him. Byrd has looked like poo poo in his last few fights in any case.

[RussianArm]

If we had Louis, Marciano, Dempsey, Ali, Lewis, etc. then he would not even be top 10 heavyweight

If they went up against Vitali they would be in hospital alah Joe Frazier after MSG fight.

[PBDS]

doesnt matter he lost but he was winnign so there hasnt been someone yet who can prove they can whoop vitali yet. and i dont think there will be

.....Sturm your so right!!! Lewis had struggles with tons of guys and was knocked silly by more than a few of them. Nobody has ever had the physical upper hand against Vitali. Look at Lewis and how he got KO'd by Rahman and McCall. He also got seriously tested against holy(in both fights), Briggs, Mercer, and then Vitali taking it to him. Vitali has never been in a fight where you said to yourself "damn he is getting beat by such and such a guy". The guy has never been down and never been behind on any scorecard after the 3rd round of any fight. Give the guy some respect for christ sake. If not for the injury stoppages he would be considered one of the most dominant heavies to come a long in a long time and we would be mentioning him in the same breath with the top five all time greats.

[!! Mr. Soprano]

Sorry, but that's not accurate, and deserves to be pointed out.

Yes, Byrd was losing at the time of stoppage, but its no coincidence Vitali injured his shoulder fighting Byrd. He
sustained that injury swinging at, and missing Byrd (like Holyfield). However, despite being far ahead on the cards,
he elected to stop fighting.

That is a TKO loss.

Against Lewis, he did very well in the fight (especially early on), but the fight was stopped due to injuries sustained to Vitali's face. There were 5 separate cuts for a total of 60 - 80 stitches.







It was not incidental or coincidental that his face ended up looking like this. It was a direct result of Lennox Lewis’ punches.

He showed heart and fought well, but it was another LOSS.


Vitali Klitschko has two losses on his record, both real and legitimate.

BOZO!

Yes a loss is a loss, but Vitali's injury should not be Byrds accomplishment. How the hell did Byrd set him up to tore his whatever in his shoulder? You don't make any sense!

Vitali lost to Byrd, but Byrd never beat him! There is a difference!
It's like in pool... I can get all of my balls in while you have all of yours on the table... and I scratch on the 8 ball... the outcome, I lost, but did you beat me? Does that make you a better player?
NOOOOOO! Thus: BYRD NEVER BEAT VITALI, ****** him retired due to an injury, while winning most, or all of the rounds!

I REST MY CASE

[Kid Achilles]

"If not for the injury stoppages he would be considered one of the most dominant heavies to come a long in a long time and we would be mentioning him in the same breath with the top five all time greats."

Completely impossible to determine that at this point. He has a long way to go to even be considered above Lewis, Tyson and Holyfield, let alone a top five heavyweight champion.

[Bozo_no no]

BOZO!

Yes a loss is a loss, but Vitali's injury should not be Byrds accomplishment. How the hell did Byrd set him up to tore his whatever in his shoulder? You don't make any sense!

Vitali lost to Byrd, but Byrd never beat him! There is a difference!
It's like in pool... I can get all of my balls in while you have all of yours on the table... and I scratch on the 8 ball... the outcome, I lost, but did you beat me? Does that make you a better player?
NOOOOOO! Thus: BYRD NEVER BEAT VITALI, ****** him retired due to an injury, while winning most, or all of the rounds!

I REST MY CASE

/ Sigh


Boxing is a contest that goes until someone is knocked out or until the fight goes the disatance.

Byrd and Vitali were fighting, and Byrd is akward. Vitali hurt his shoulder missing him. Vitali's size and reach were effective early on, but Byrd showed heart and was coming on in the later rounds. He was working the body very well.

Vitali Klitschko was ahead on the cards in a fight for his TITLE against a smaller light hitting man, and instead of trying to use his reach and tie him up for 3 more rounds, he quit fighting.

Holyfield sustained a similar injury agaisnt Byrd, and finished the fight. The doctors were amazed he fought through it but he did.

Vitali lost the fight and his title because he couldn't continue.

That is a loss, and it would reflect better on your character if you were able to admit it.

[Bozo_no no]

.....Sturm your so right!!! Lewis had struggles with tons of guys and was knocked silly by more than a few of them. Nobody has ever had the physical upper hand against Vitali. Look at Lewis and how he got KO'd by Rahman and McCall. He also got seriously tested against holy(in both fights), Briggs, Mercer, and then Vitali taking it to him. Vitali has never been in a fight where you said to yourself "damn he is getting beat by such and such a guy". The guy has never been down and never been behind on any scorecard after the 3rd round of any fight. Give the guy some respect for christ sake. If not for the injury stoppages he would be considered one of the most dominant heavies to come a long in a long time and we would be mentioning him in the same breath with the top five all time greats.

Reading things like this really make it difficult to activly discuss things with people like you.


LOOK AT WHO VITALI HAS FOUGHT IN HIS ENTIRE CAREER.


He fought most of it against WBO ranked competition IN GERMANY. The biggest fights of his career HE LOST, and aside from that his most noteworthy wins are agaisnt a BLOATED KIRK JOHNSON, and LARRY DONALD. That's the high points of his resume.

How dare you compare his LIMITED SHELTERED HALF CAREER agaisnt Lennox Lewis, who is recognized as a top ten all time Heavyweight???

COME ON.

This is like entering a fan club from an animated scene in 'Who Framed Roger Rabbit".

[snap the jab]

Anyone who says that Vitali Klitschko is a bad fighter or just gets by on size alone is out of their mind - you don't get to be even in the heavyweight top 100 without being an absolutely phenomenal fighter, and he's undeniably in the top 10 - and as far as the size thing goes there are plenty of 6'7" or larger fighters out there, but they're distributed throughout the rankings, not all bunched at the top (in other words size doesn't necessarily equal boxing success). Give it up, he's a good fighter!

But not yet a great fighter... he hasn't fought any great fighters, other than an old, un-motivated Lennox Lewis - and now an injury has taken months out of his carrear, when at 33 he's just about used up all of his prime atheletic years. I think Vitali is most likely going to end up being a "what might have been" - if he hadn't torn his rotator cuff fighting Byrd, if he hadn't gotten cut against Lewis, if he hadn't torn his whatever jogging...