Vitali KlitschkO

[Bozo_no no]

I'm going to say it again, My original point was not about

whether VK fought a "primed and conditioned" Lewis, it was about

how capable Lewis was at his age of retirement, and whether or

not he had retired simply because he wanted to, or whether he

retired because his health and age would have prevented him from

being successful, regardless of conditioning.

And I told you, Heavyweights almost always begin to lose their skill and reflex after 35.

To continue fighting, Lewis would have continued until he lost, and found out the hard way his skills aren't what they were, and before you know it, he'd be like Holyfield losing to Ruiz.

You don't know how much his age had to do with his shape and reflexes in that fight. All you did was guess.

I told you before you started arguing about the shape Lewis was in:

Originally Posted by Bozo_no_no
Again, he did NOT come in the same way he always did.

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Again yes he did, physically. He just fought a different style because his jab didn't have the same effect without the reach advantage.

I told you he should have retired after the Tyson fight rather than wait and find out in the ring his skills had slipped.

That's when you started in arguing about his shape, and talking about how him coming in at a career high weight didn't make a difference.

Again, WRONG. Wrong because you're deluded and wounded.

[hollister]

That's when you started in arguing about his shape, and talking about how him coming in at a career high weight didn't make a difference.

No, dip****, I said that I didn't think that it was as big a factor as you were making it seem like, I typed it that way once, because I was tired of explaing over and over again what I meant to a ****** that continued to purposely miss my point, no matter how obvious it was.

[Bozo_no no]

No, dip****, I said that I didn't think that it was as big a factor as you were making it seem like, I typed it that way once, because I was tired of explaing over and over again what I meant to a ****** that continued to purposely miss my point, no matter how obvious it was.

You don't know what your point was. You posted it at the end, and it was a combo of sevearl random statements you had mixed into your pile of on going bull ****.

[hollister]

You act like he was fighting out of a crouch half the time because he was too fat lol. It's because he was looking for a way to land his jab without being jabbed in return, period. You're saying over and over again that I want to think that VK almost beat a Lewis that was in peak physical condition, in his prime, when actually you're the one saying that VK fought a rotted old man and couldn't beat him, who's full of ****?

[hollister]

Lewis should have retired after beating Tyson. Look at how effective Ali was after 36. Joe Louis after 36.

Vitali had his chance at an older, inactive, not int top shape Lewis, and he couldn't cash in.

As for Byrd, Byrd was and still is available, but Vitali is (for some reason) fighting John Ruiz's leftovers.

That's you

[hollister]

Ali had Parkinson's disease, he was already slurring his words when he fought Spinks those two times. Louis came out of retirement, and didn't really train. Lewis, when in shape, was the most effective he had been in his career when he retired, and that showed in the Tyson fight and the Rahman II fight. He may not have trained properly, but the only difference was that he was in with a big strong man like him that he couldn't rough up by leaning his weight on his opponent and hitting him, and that man was hitting him back instead of letting him do what he wanted to. Sure, VK lost the fight and all, but don't try to compare the fighter he lost to with a 36 or 38 year old Ali, that's reaching.

That's me, see that?

[Bozo_no no]

My point is still clear, even in the post you quoted.

Lewis should have retired after the Tyson fight, because its only a matter of time before his age catches up with him, and eventually he'd end up like Holyfield.

Yes Ali had Parkinsons, but look at almost any other Heavyeight Champion:

Jack johnson: At 37 lost to Jess Willard
Joe Louis: 36 lost to Ezzard Charrles
Rocky Marciano: Retrired at 32
Muhammad Ali: 36 lost to Leon Spinks
Larry Holmes: 37 lost to Michael Spinks
Evander Holyfield: Look at his fights with Ruiz


The point I was making is that after 36 years old, its only a matter of time before Lewis was going to find out the hard way his faculties weren't what they used to be.

You picked up the Ali comment and started barking about Parkinson's, again, like it was your Trump card.

My point was clear, Lewis should have retired after fighting Tyson. He didn't need to fight on until he found out he had lost a step. Far too many great fighters fight on too long.

[hollister]

Lewis should have retired after beating Tyson. Look at how effective Ali was after 36. Joe Louis after 36.

Vitali had his chance at an older, inactive, not int top shape Lewis, and he couldn't cash in.

As for Byrd, Byrd was and still is available, but Vitali is (for some reason) fighting John Ruiz's leftovers.

That's you again, ok?

[hollister]

Ali had Parkinson's disease, he was already slurring his words when he fought Spinks those two times. Louis came out of retirement, and didn't really train. Lewis, when in shape, was the most effective he had been in his career when he retired, and that showed in the Tyson fight and the Rahman II fight. He may not have trained properly, but the only difference was that he was in with a big strong man like him that he couldn't rough up by leaning his weight on his opponent and hitting him, and that man was hitting him back instead of letting him do what he wanted to. Sure, VK lost the fight and all, but don't try to compare the fighter he lost to with a 36 or 38 year old Ali, that's reaching.

And there's me again, see?

Now, see if you can pick my point out of that "non sense" lol

[legend]

What does that prove? Was Lewis 37 and coming off a year layoff when weighing 253 against Rahman?

No he wasn't.

I'm still hoping you're going to catch on, because its blatantly obvious you're outright wrong here.

A career high weight ADDED TO THE FACT he was coming off a year layoff ADDED TO THE FACT he was 37 = Not a primed sharp Lennox Lewis.

You're such a wounded Klitschko fan you think it takes some of the sting away to imagine your hero in with Lewis at his best.

It was pain stakingly obvious Lennox wasn't near to being at his best, and he still beat Vitali.

You can pretend to not understand all you want. You only look more and more desperate to hold on to one little point.

Again, Lewis wasn't near to being at his best, and he still beat Klitschko.

LOL. VK had the same amount of time to prepare for Lewis as Lewis did for him. It's not VK's fault that Lewis came in out of shape. So why hate on him for it? Just for the record, VK did pretty damn good against the best heavyweight in the world, regardless of conditioning. It's not like Lewis rolled over him or anything. Regardless of what anybody says, Lewis was one happy mother****er once the fight got stopped. He didn't want anymore of VK, regardless of whether his record shows it as a win or loss. I'm not much of a statician, I just watch the fights. Lewis was getting beat and so was Byrd. The fact that VK has a L on his record doesn't really matter to those who watched the fights and saw who the better fighter was. Anybody who can't understand this simple concept is either a Byrd fan or a Lewis fan.