Mayweather stans, stfu

[jrosales13]

Yes on that one, sir.

Just Floyd's resume below 140 made him elite, at that time.

Don't forget, Cotto was there to witness the Gatti fight. He didn't look all that inspired to go seeking out Mayweather in that film did he.

That is my point Floyd was an elite fighter at 140... Cotto was a prospect at 140. Why would an elite fighter someone who is still green?

When Cotto became elite after the Mosley fight. Merchant brought up Cotto name and what did Floyd say?

[The Gambler1981]

Ellerbe said the 8mil offer was legit for the fight to be in August. So yes I think would give Floyd 8mil to fight Margarito who ranked at #2 at WW. Who had the best record against top 10 WWs at the time. And, who had a solid fan base in the west coast and amongst Mexicans. I understand about the Oscar fight. Which I have always said was fine. But, lets not think for 1 second that the 8mil was not true cuz it was. Lets we know that Margarito was a tougher than a Baldomir fight. Again Floyd made the right decision not to fight Margarito so he could fight Oscar in a business sense. But, the Margarito offer was legit and the fight IMO was more credible than Baldomir and Oscar. In a sense that I didn't give neither Oscar or Baldomir a chance to beating Floyd at the time. And, I thought Margarito-Floyd was a 50-50 fight at the time. But, I also know I was in the minority in that.

Floyd was basically a nobody at that point also in terms of star power, to think that Arum would just give him 8 million to fight a guy who was not a big name fighter. I did not say the 8 million part of the offer was not true, but money is not the only thing that can break a contract, if Floyd wanted out from Arum and Arum required an extension to get that money.

You can think whatever you want about the fight but Floyd is the star he is now because of the Oscar fight, fighting Margarito would not have done that for him, especially at that point in time.

It was not until much later after years of people harping on the whole situation about Margarito being the most feared man and the fight with Cotto that Margarito really became well known.

[jrosales13]

Floyd was nobody at that point also in terms of star power, to think that Arum would just give him 8 million to fight a guy who was not a big name fighter. I did not say teh 8 million part of the offer was not true, but money is not the only thing that can break a contract, if Floyd wanted out from Arum and Arum required an extension to get that money.

You can think whatever you want about the fight but Floyd is the star he is now because of the Oscar fight, fighting Margarito would not have done that for him, especially at that point in time.

It was not until much later after years of people harping on the whole situation about Margarito being the most feared man and the fight with Cotto that Margarito really became well known.

I know what the Oscar fight brings. I am not dissing him for taking that fight. That is why Pac took. I also gave Oscar lil chance in that fight. But, I always understood on why fighting Oscar is always good in a business. I don't care about the business of boxing. I am not a fan of the business. I am a fan of the sport. I don't want to watch fights on PPV. I want to watch fights on Network tv. Again I understand why go after Oscar.

Baldomir did not have a big name either and he got 8mil so yes Floyd would of gotten the 8mil with Margarito. And, Margarito had a bigger fan base at the time than Baldomir whether you like to admitted or not. How long was the extension that Arum wanted in order to give 8mil? Cuz from everything I read there was no extension offered? Floyd was said it himself that he was willing to sign and fight Margarito. If Arum could guarantee that in Floyd next fight. Floyd would get Cotto and a guarantee 10mill for that fight. And, that was a guarantee that Arum could not make since at the time Cotto was not that big yet. But, there was no extension offered at all.

And, BTW Floyd was known at that point. He may not have been the star that he is now. But, he was known. He already had 2 PPV's at that time.

[Floyd Is A Homo]

why did u waste ur time making this TS? them bitchez won't understand their too much on mayweather's **** already it's hard to pull them out to some common understanding!

[Syf]

Fact remains,

Floyds a known ducker.

Thats why he gets the criticism.

I truly think because of his 0, and attitude, he is really damned if he does, and damned if he doesn't, when it comes to some fans of boxing. People would have accused him of ducking all the fighters he's beaten recently, if he hadn't fought them. This includes JMM.

That is my point Floyd was an elite fighter at 140... Cotto was a prospect at 140. Why would an elite fighter someone who is still green?

When Cotto became elite after the Mosley fight. Merchant brought up Cotto name and what did Floyd say?

I'm sure he said something about Cotto not being a draw, and so on and so forth.

But he was a hungrier fighter back when he called Cotto out. He started getting a sense of entitlement 140+

And I don't have a problem with more established fighters fighting very promising prospects. It gives the prospects a chance to get their foot in the door to greatness. If no one fought prospects, boxing would go stagnant. After all, sn't that what Mosley is doing with Berto?

[tesla_power]

you also twist facts, however. Mayweather has been a ww for 4 years and 1 month and was retired for 21 months meaning hes been an active ww for about 2 and a half years. He never avoided Mosley before he retired. He tried to make the fight and shane didnt want it at the time. Its only now that shane calls him out and floyd is trying to fight pac. He cant be ducking mosley when hes trying to fight the top guy. Cottos camp never showed interest in floyd. Floyd tried at 140. Yes there wad Margarito but Arum wanted options on floyds future with that fight and it may have hurt the chances to get the oscar fight so he took baldomir who was the ww champ for the same money.

He meant Margarito. Pbf has no other viable options other than the Cotto-Marg winner. The boxing public was clamoring for it then. IF he avoided it, his reputation would have been more damaged than it is. He retired... so the public cut him some slack.

[jrosales13]

I'm sure he said something about Cotto not being a draw, and so on and so forth.

But he was a hungrier fighter back when he called Cotto out. He started getting a sense of entitlement 140+

And I don't have a problem with more established fighters fighting very promising prospects. It gives the prospects a chance to get their foot in the door to greatness. If no one fought prospects, boxing would go stagnant. After all, sn't that what Mosley is doing with Berto?

Yea but Mosley is going to kill Berto he might ever ruin him... Berto is not ready. You don't fight prospects who are not ready? That is how prospects get ruined. Established fighters should fight established fighters. The best fights the best. Prospects should fight other prospects, journerman, or fight crossroads fights and that is how prospects become established contenders.

And, about Cotto not being a draw... That makes no sense. So Cotto was a draw at 140, but when Cotto beat Mosley he wasn't a draw, but when Cotto fought Pac they did those numbers cuz Cotto is a draw? The contradictions never stop.

[Bhopreign]

Changing a date to a fight isn't ducking.


Its changing a date.

Ducking is telling a man you're going to fight him, and then retire before he wins the biggest fight of his career.

Ducking is refusing to fight the best competition in the weight class you've been in for 5 years.


You clowns are so simple that you can't grasp the simple concept of, get this,

changing the date.


There is no double standard or hypocrisy going on.

Manny has never said he was the best fighter of all time while refusing to face the best competition, Floyd has, which is why he catches flak.

All of you clowns used to scream all day,

"just wait, the fight needs proper build up"
"just give him time, he just had a fight"
"its his health not yours, he needs to rest his body"
"this is a business, you don't understand or know what goes on behind closed doors".


Changing the date does not absolve Floyd from his criticism of actually ducking fighters.


If the fight isn't made for sometime in 2010, then yes, you have a legitimate claim and I'll side with you.

As it stands,

its simply changing the date. The same exact thing Floyd did with Marquez.

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[The Gambler1981]

I know what the Oscar fight brings. I am not dissing him for taking that fight. That is why Pac took. I also gave Oscar lil chance in that fight. But, I always understood on why fighting Oscar is always good in a business. I don't care about the business of boxing. I am not a fan of the business. I am a fan of the sport. I don't want to watch fights on PPV. I want to watch fights on Network tv. Again I understand why go after Oscar.

Baldomir did not have a big name either and he got 8mil so yes Floyd would of gotten the 8mil with Margarito. And, Margarito had a bigger fan base at the time than Baldomir whether you like to admitted or not. How long was the extension that Arum wanted in order to give 8mil? Cuz from everything I read there was no extension offered? Floyd was said it himself that he was willing to sign and fight Margarito. If Arum could guarantee that in Floyd next fight. Floyd would get Cotto and a guarantee 10mill for that fight. And, that was a guarantee that Arum could not make since at the time Cotto was not that big yet. But, there was no extension offered at all.

And, BTW Floyd was known at that point. He may not have been the star that he is now. But, he was known. He already had 2 PPV's at that time.

The whole point is Arum made demands to have options on Floyd, Floyd was becomming well known because he had been on HBO for his whole career and had two decent PPV (Judah was actually fairly impressive) which is why Arum wanted options because he was about to get paided back for all the money he dumped into Floyd. Floyd instead decided to just cut free from Arum, once Floyd made that decision a fight with any Arum fighter is not just as simple as money there are things involved beyond that. That is why Arum talked so much **** about Floyd for years because Floyd got over on Arum big time but a lot of people bought into what he was saying which you can see in popular opinion on this board.

It is what it is I don't think Floyd was scared of Margarito or Cotto or Mosley, **** was just not in the card on the business side.

[Syf]

Yea but Mosley is going to kill Berto he might ever ruin him... Berto is not ready. You don't fight prospects who are not ready? That is how prospects get ruined. Established fighters should fight established fighters. The best fights the best. Prospects should fight other prospects, journerman, or fight crossroads fights and that is how prospects become established contenders.

And, about Cotto not being a draw... That makes no sense. So Cotto was a draw at 140, but when Cotto beat Mosley he wasn't a draw, but when Cotto fought Pac they did those numbers cuz Cotto is a draw? The contradictions never stop.

I give Berto a pretty good shot... He's strong, young.. fast.. good hooks and uppercuts. No where near the same style as say.. a Margarito, which made SSM look so good

And that's my point, there is two sides to this. If Berto wins, it propels him to greater things. Even a fight with possibly Pacquiao or Mayweather! All of which would never be possible if he wasn't given his shot.

Cotto was given his shot at the top guy in Floyd, and for whatever reason, it didn't happen and he didn't step up to the plate.

As to the draw thing, Floyd had this huge sense of entitlement by then.. He didn't used to say that draw stuff.. he just wanted to get the best names he could on his win column.. After he started getting that sense of entitlement, Floyd started up with that draw ****.