Gamblers Advisory;Dwyer: Mayweather-Pacquiao Prediction

[miron_lang]

we'll see.

people always underestimate pacquiao.

pick against him when he's going up against these huge welters and super welters.

a guy not much bigger like floyd with his brittle hands and low workrate?

pacquiao has 12 rounds to catch him.

To stans point of view :


But Floyd is impossible to hit. Floyd UD

[Doctor_Tenma]

ME too

Only difference is, he should have mentioned how Mayweather's left hook is better suited against Pacquiao as oppose to Hatton, Oscar and Cotto's left hook. He was 100% on point with Pacquiao having to win the early rounds. This worries me because I have this strong feeling that Pacquiao will go hard and not allow Mayweather to adapt. Mayweather is known to give up the early rounds and as I've said...Mayweather is gonna have to win the early rounds while adjusting to Pacquiao's style. The 1st half will be the most important.

[ThePunchingBag]

There's no need for a rubber match since he won both fights already.

Outside of another payday for him.

JMM doesn't think that.

Then again JMM is actually affected by the loss and the draw on his resume, regardless of what his deluded fans think.

[DonTaseMeBrah]

respectfully disagree with dwyer. He's a good unbiased, levelheaded boxing guy in youtube. not like bloodboxing or karceno. Allow me to offer a rebuttal.

May i approach the witness your honor?

Too much emphasis is being used with the first erik morales fight. that was 2005. Fight night vs Fraudulent jr. will be mid 2010. In those 5 years its safe to say that Pac has drastically improved as a fighter. More refined, more seasoned, & with a much better & active right hand.

The Pac that fought morales 1 is a completely different form that the pac fraudulent jr. will be facing. Even the Pac that fought marquez 2 is not the same anymore.

So not only are we gonna be seeing a different & improved Pacquiao, we will be seeing a different Mayweather come fight night. This Fraud jr. version is OLDER, SLOWER, LESS ACTIVE, & LESS MOBILE than the Fraud jr. of 130,135,140, & early 147 lb version. He throws less combinations & now relies more on upper body movement i.e. shoulder roll than whole body movement using his legs.

If you watch the his fight vs marquez, Fraud jr. has increased his propensity to lay on the ropes more so than ever before. This is not a good idea vs this 2 fisted version of Pacquiao.

Dwyer also like to compare zab judah getting figured out & Fraud jr. pulling away. Well zab judah has a lot to do with that due to his repuation as a head case & as a 4-5 round fighter. That will not be the case vs Pacquiao. Same thing with oscar. Oscar has a reputation of gassing in the later rounds IN HIS PRIME.

This version of Fraud jr. now relies more heavily on single shot counter punching than ever before. This version throws less combinations & goes on the offensive a lot less. He can afford to do that vs marquez who was never a offensive fighter who pressed the action. Can he do that vs a high rate offensive fighter vs Pacquiao? He will lose rounds due to Pac's aggressiveness if he chooses to do so.

Pacquiao is not oscar, hatton, & marquez. He is the complete opposite style, workrate, speed, power, stamina, than those guys. He is similar to zab judah & to some extent demarcus corley but only much better. Both of those southpaws even though dominated by Fraud jr. later on put hands on Fraud jr. Its safe to say Pac will have his chances.

So add the fact that Fraud jr. will be a much lesser active puncher, a lot less mobile, a lot less offensive than his previous days in the lower weight classes, coupled with the fact that Pac has improved greatly, this will be a close even fight all the way to the 12th round.

Last but not least, it is simply dangerous to game plan using the marquez 1 & 2 fights & the first morales fights. That is not the pacquiao that Fraud jr. is gonna be facing. Pac evolves so much in every one of his last fights that its impossible to see what will be the next stage form Fraud jr will be facing with Pacquiao.

Simply put it;

Manny Pacquiao = Prince Frieza.



But which form will Fraud jr. be facing? What form was the Pacquiao that cotto faced?

Frist form?

Final form?

100% Power?


Or mecha frieza?

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Thank you your honor.

[miron_lang]

Diaz, DLH, Hatton and now Cotto are tailor made for Pacquiao to look Good.


Floyd returns and Dominate Juan Manuel Marquez in which he came heavier than the contracted weight of 144.



so. Pacquiao looks good because of his opponents and Floyd is still a beast.


LOL

[Glamour Puss]

JMM doesn't think that.

Then again JMM is actually affected by the loss and the draw on his resume, regardless of what his deluded fans think.

Yeah, I guess were all deluded.

MOST people thought he won both fights. Get over it. I watched the second fight w/ philipinos and before they announced the scores they were all dejected thinking Packy lost. I have that **** on tape.

When they announced the decision they ****in' lost their minds cuz' they were so surprised. Packy looked like a beaten man in both fights, but especially in that second fight. He didn't think he won.

And neither did most people.

Punching Bag? Is this David Diaz?

Cuz' your the type of fighter Packy looks "improved" against. Against skillful counter punchers he looks like a one dimensional guy w/ a good straight left.

[ThePunchingBag]

Yeah, I guess were all deluded.

MOST people thought he won both fights. Get over it. I watched the second fight w/ philipinos and before they announced the scores they were all dejected thinking Packy lost. I have that **** on tape.

When they announced the decision they ****in' lost their minds cuz' they were so surprised. Packy looked like a beaten man in both fights, but especially in that second fight. He didn't think he won.

And neither did most people.

Punching Bag? Is this David Diaz?

Cuz' your the type of fighter Packy looks "improved" against. Against skillful counter punchers he looks like a one dimensional guy w/ a good straight left.

BoxRec has no mercy for deluded fans. Not much more to be said really. You can say he won both fights, but the bottom line is that history won't show it.

[Left Hook Tua]

There's no need for a rubber match since he won both fights already.

Outside of another payday for him.

ken norton arguably beat muhammad ali 3 times.

ken norton won 1 fight.

and still ken norton is not considered in the same league as muhammad ali.

what do you think history will say about juanma marquez in a draw and a loss?



i'll tell you.

"Marquez was just another case of an inferior fighter being a styles matchup problem to a superior fighter in Pacquiao."

[Glamour Puss]

respectfully disagree with dwyer. He's a good unbiased, levelheaded boxing guy in youtube. not like bloodboxing or karceno. Allow me to offer a rebuttal.

May i approach the witness your honor?

Too much emphasis is being used with the first erik morales fight. that was 2005. Fight night vs Fraudulent jr. will be mid 2010. In those 5 years its safe to say that Pac has drastically improved as a fighter. More refined, more seasoned, & with a much better & active right hand.

The Pac that fought morales 1 is a completely different form that the pac fraudulent jr. will be facing. Even the Pac that fought marquez 2 is not the same anymore.

So not only are we gonna be seeing a different & improved Pacquiao, we will be seeing a different Mayweather come fight night. This Fraud jr. version is OLDER, SLOWER, LESS ACTIVE, & LESS MOBILE than the Fraud jr. of 130,135,140, & early 147 lb version. He throws less combinations & now relies more on upper body movement i.e. shoulder roll than whole body movement using his legs.

If you watch the his fight vs marquez, Fraud jr. has increased his propensity to lay on the ropes more so than ever before. This is not a good idea vs this 2 fisted version of Pacquiao.

Dwyer also like to compare zab judah getting figured out & Fraud jr. pulling away. Well zab judah has a lot to do with that due to his repuation as a head case & as a 4-5 round fighter. That will not be the case vs Pacquiao. Same thing with oscar. Oscar has a reputation of gassing in the later rounds IN HIS PRIME.

This version of Fraud jr. now relies more heavily on single shot counter punching than ever before. This version throws less combinations & goes on the offensive a lot less. He can afford to do that vs marquez who was never a offensive fighter who pressed the action. Can he do that vs a high rate offensive fighter vs Pacquiao? He will lose rounds due to Pac's aggressiveness if he chooses to do so.

Pacquiao is not oscar, hatton, & marquez. He is the complete opposite style, workrate, speed, power, stamina, than those guys. He is similar to zab judah & to some extent demarcus corley but only much better. Both of those southpaws even though dominated by Fraud jr. later on put hands on Fraud jr. Its safe to say Pac will have his chances.

So add the fact that Fraud jr. will be a much lesser active puncher, a lot less mobile, a lot less offensive than his previous days in the lower weight classes, coupled with the fact that Pac has improved greatly, this will be a close even fight all the way to the 12th round.

Last but not least, it is simply dangerous to game plan using the marquez 1 & 2 fights & the first morales fights. That is not the pacquiao that Fraud jr. is gonna be facing. Pac evolves so much in every one of his last fights that its impossible to see what will be the next stage form Fraud jr will be facing with Pacquiao.

Simply put it;

Manny Pacquiao = Prince Frieza.



But which form will Fraud jr. be facing? What form was the Pacquiao that cotto faced?

Frist form?

Final form?

100% Power?


Or mecha frieza?

[IMG][IMG][/IMG][/IMG]


Thank you your honor.

Oh brother. Cheesy and nerdy. Good going.

You will see how easy Floyd makes it look. Floyd didn't throw as much against JMM cuz' he didn't wanna get countered.

He'll throw against Packy cuz' Packy will give him a million openings.

[Glamour Puss]

BoxRec has no mercy for deluded fans. Not much more to be said really. You can say he won both fights, but the bottom line is that history won't show it.

Word of mouth will. And word of mouth is more powerful.

ken norton arguably beat muhammad ali 3 times.

ken norton won 1 fight.

and still ken norton is not considered in the same league as muhammad ali.

what do you think history will say about juanma marquez in a draw and a loss?



i'll tell you.

"Marquez was just another case of an inferior fighter being a styles matchup problem to a superior fighter in Pacquiao."

Marquez's history is intact. He's a first ballot HOF'mer and all time legend.

People know the score.

*** Ken Norton.