Floyd always on the back foot staying away? Something to put in perspective is that Cotto put a lot of body work on Pac early on to get him alil slower in the later rounds but had to open up thus he took a lot of shots earlier as well. How the hell will Floyd slow Pac down if he's barely gonna open up to the amount Cotto did to put work in early? He's gonna be so scared of taking a shot in return from Pac, I doubt he's gonna want to invest nearly as much as Cotto tried and Cotto barely got anywhere aside from making Pac not want to chase him around at the end as much because he was abit tired.
Will Pac-Floyd look like the last 4-5 rds of Pac-Cotto?
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He clearly is. I loved Floyd's fights with Clottey, Mosley, and the Margaritos. They showed just how much skill he has vs the elite.
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floyd is going to whoop pac's ass---no need to break the fight down---this is a huge mismatch---floyd is tooooooooo skillllllllllled.....that's it...Comment
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It depends...
One thing that's impressed me with Pacquiao is his willingness to bring the fight to you no matter if the opposing opponent has the strength advantage or power. Floyd likes to counter because it plays in perfectly to his defense. My thing with that is if you're in there with a very active fighter who's not only fast, but can hit hard from all sorts of angles it adds another dimension to how you defend. People have become used to seeing Floyd perform great against guys who play into his style of fighting. But now that Pacquiao in my eyes has become very well rounded and has transferred his speed and power up to 3 weight classes from 130lbs, you gotta take into consideration that Floyd's going to be fighting someone just as fast or faster, a southpaw, and also a fighter who has legit power at 147lbs.
Pac's got a much better shot than I gave him prior to the Cotto fight, but people can't automatically think Floyd can't and won't win this fight because he definitely can.Comment
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I think it's crazy at this point to look at how Floyd beat JMM and making that the blueprint on how to beat Pacquiao. Him beating Cotto IMO is a much more impressive win than Floyd beating either Oscar or Hatton. Yea, you can talk about the 145 catch weight, but in all honesty, did that have anything to do with the outcome of the fight? Nahhh...Cotto looked strong, he simply got beat by a better fighter. Cotto was a prime Welterweight with wins over Clottey, Mosley, Judah, and Quintana at WW alone. You can't say the guy isn't a top fighter in the division (even today).
I'm not calling a winner for this fight because it could go so many ways, but neither is beating the other soundly (then again...people said Pac wouldn't beat his last 3 opponents soundly...)Last edited by Ravishing; 11-30-2009, 08:44 PM.Comment
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You misread what I said. I wasnt talking about Floyd vs JMM. I said Floyd will do the same things to Pac that JMM did except he's bigger, much faster, and has 10x better defense. Again, I never ever follow the theory that if this guy does something to another guy then imagine what this other guy can do. I dont think that ever works in boxing but I think this is the one case where it does. I think Pac is a beast but Im not buying that he changed so much from the JMM fight. I think Floyd is like JMM but way better in every catagory and I think that will give Pac hell, e****aly since he's never ever been in the ring with another fast guy or a great defensive guy. He's never done that. You can debate who's faster but Floyd has atleast fought very fast Southpaws in Mitchell, Chop, and Zab. The fastest guy Pac has fought is JMM and we all saw that Floyd is way faster than him. He can spar with Khan & Porter all he wants but its still different in the ring. That speed, D, and awearness will give Pac fitsI think it's crazy at this point to look at how Floyd beat JMM and making that the blueprint on how to beat Pacquiao. Him beating Cotto IMO is a much more impressive win than Floyd beating either Oscar or Hatton. Yea, you can talk about the 145 catch weight, but in all honesty, did that have anything to do with the outcome of the fight? Nahhh...Cotto looked strong, he simply got beat by a better fighter. Cotto was a prime Welterweight with wins over Clottey, Mosley, Judah, and Quintana at WW alone. You can't say the guy isn't a top fighter in the division (even today).
I'm not calling a winner for this fight because it could go so many ways, but neither is beating the other soundly (then again...people said he wouldn't beat his last 3 opponents soundly...)Comment
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Cotto's philly shell sucks, he should have never left his old peek a boo style he used 80% of his career. When he used his philly shell, he got punched so many times on the left side by Pacquiao.
Floyd on the other hand is the master of the philly shell, can block punches from that defense and has a faster reaction time than Miguel. Miguel had better power but i don't think you can beat Pac with power, you can beat him with skills. That's what Mayweather will try to do. Cotto had a good jab that gave some problems to Pacquiao in the first round.Comment
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The thing with Floyd's speed at this point in his career though is it's almost solely based on countering. I haven't seen Floyd load up combinations in years (literally). JMM was successful at countering Manny because at that point Manny was lunging in a lot more than I've seen him do since his fight with JMM. He sits on his punches a lot more, is much more patient and has two hands to work with now and gets out harm's way much better. It's going to be a completely different fighter than what JMM faced in '08, I think the Cotto fight more than proved that.You misread what I said. I wasnt talking about Floyd vs JMM. I said Floyd will do the same things to Pac that JMM did except he's bigger, much faster, and has 10x better defense. Again, I never ever follow the theory that if this guy does something to another guy then imagine what this other guy can do. I dont think that ever works in boxing but I think this is the one case where it does. I think Pac is a beast but Im not buying that he changed so much from the JMM fight. I think Floyd is like JMM but way better in every catagory and I think that will give Pac hell, e****aly since he's never ever been in the ring with another fast guy or a great defensive guy. He's never done that. You can debate who's faster but Floyd has atleast fought very fast Southpaws in Mitchell, Chop, and Zab. The fastest guy Pac has fought is JMM and we all saw that Floyd is way faster than him. He can spar with Khan & Porter all he wants but its still different in the ring. That speed, D, and awearness will give Pac fitsComment
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