klitschko thoughts from a straight view point

[guru]

I am a fan of the Klit bros, but i dont let that affect my judgement into bias, i try to call things fairly.... for instance, unless there's proof that wlad was drugged, i think that he just got tired and loss... but here are some other random thoughts from things I keep reading in this forum...


wlad does/does not deserve a title shot?
i'm in the middle on this.... if you look at his recent losses(brewster/sanders) and his recent wins, you would have to say no he doesn't deserve a title shot... but then take a look at what ruiz did prior to his first title shot, who did he beat? who did brewster beat to deserve his shot? who did golota, mccline or fres beat? take that into consideration with wlad's previous wins over mccline and byrd and you have to admit that he deserves it as much as all the other guys who are getting title shots..

VK the top heavyweight?
he does have the 2 losses to lewis and byrd, despite the debated outcomes.... ruiz has 5 losses(to some lesser opponents) and byrd also has two losses... more importantly however, VK is winning decidedly, Byrd is not.... byrd has eaked out 3 str8 close decisions while VK has 3 str8 KO's.... meanwhile, ruiz has a KO over fres and close dec. over golota, but nobody was impressed with ruiz in either fight... plus you could argue VK has faced better comp recently... fres and golota have never beaten anyone decent, while sanders and williams have beaten tyson and wlad... lasty, the PPV featuring VK sold as many buys as the PPV featuring ruiz, byrd and rahman... while neither PPV did well, it goes to show that ruiz and byrd have no drawing power and maybe an indication that few people see them as the real heavyweight champion...

i dont think its definitive that VK is #1, until he beats ruiz and byrd, so i can understand if anybody doesnt feel that way and thinks someone else is the top guy... but i agree with magazine, the only official rankings that haven't been bought, vk is on top right now....

[cupcrazy01]

Alot of good points here...

I don't have a problem with Wlad getting a title shot because in my mind the only other heavy even close to being worthy of a shot who hasn't yet received one is Samuel Peter, and he isn't quite ready (as you can tell from his promoter's matchmaking).

Wlad's skills are second to none, he obviously just lacks in chin and stamina. Plus, he's entertaining, which says alot in the heavyweight division these days. I would PAY to see Wlad-Tyson, Wlad-Toney, or Wlad-Peter, while many of you would laugh and say that all those fights would be KO losses for Wlad, I disagree. He could win all three if he fights well enough, but I sure wouldn't pick him to win ANY of those fights, except maybe Peter due to inexperience.

Vitali has to be considered the top heavyweight because even though his last two fights have been against out of shape aging journeymen, he did in fact KO them and Ruiz has lost to Jones and squeaked out a win vs. Golota. Byrd has either aged really fast or has come in unmotivated for whatever reason in his last three fights, and is VERY arguably 0-3 in them. Brewster is a joke of a champion, he (should have) lost to Meehan, who was destroyed by Rahman.

I'd LOVE to see Vitali-Toney if they can both win their upcoming fights. I would say the winner of that fight vs. Byrd but he'll lose by then.
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[El Jesus]

i dont see Wlad lasting against Tyson, how can he survive the onslaught?

[Stickman]

I am a fan of the Klit bros, but i dont let that affect my judgement into bias, i try to call things fairly.... for instance, unless there's proof that wlad was drugged, i think that he just got tired and loss... but here are some other random thoughts from things I keep reading in this forum...


wlad does/does not deserve a title shot?
i'm in the middle on this.... if you look at his recent losses(brewster/sanders) and his recent wins, you would have to say no he doesn't deserve a title shot... but then take a look at what ruiz did prior to his first title shot, who did he beat? who did brewster beat to deserve his shot? who did golota, mccline or fres beat? take that into consideration with wlad's previous wins over mccline and byrd and you have to admit that he deserves it as much as all the other guys who are getting title shots..

VK the top heavyweight?
he does have the 2 losses to lewis and byrd, despite the debated outcomes.... ruiz has 5 losses(to some lesser opponents) and byrd also has two losses... more importantly however, VK is winning decidedly, Byrd is not.... byrd has eaked out 3 str8 close decisions while VK has 3 str8 KO's.... meanwhile, ruiz has a KO over fres and close dec. over golota, but nobody was impressed with ruiz in either fight... plus you could argue VK has faced better comp recently... fres and golota have never beaten anyone decent, while sanders and williams have beaten tyson and wlad... lasty, the PPV featuring VK sold as many buys as the PPV featuring ruiz, byrd and rahman... while neither PPV did well, it goes to show that ruiz and byrd have no drawing power and maybe an indication that few people see them as the real heavyweight champion...

i dont think its definitive that VK is #1, until he beats ruiz and byrd, so i can understand if anybody doesnt feel that way and thinks someone else is the top guy... but i agree with magazine, the only official rankings that haven't been bought, vk is on top right now....

About half the fighters who actually get title shots, don't deserve them. Having said that, I'd prefer it if Vlad waits awhile before he makes a run for a title. He's trying to come back from a career-threatening string of ****ty performances, and needs to get his confidence back and his head on straight before he starts wearing one of the belts. I like the kid, he's got potential out of this world (if his head were on straight, he'd be the undisputed and unified champion of the world for 10 years to come or more...that's how much potential he has) and he seems a decent sort, but I'd prefer to see him mature a bit more, mentally, before attempting to reign over the division.

Vitali, in my opinion, at least at this point in time, is the undisputed champ. Wins/losses, etc. aside, there's nobody right now who has more than a puncher's chance of beating him. Not only that, he's got the chin, the heart, aggressivness, and willpower to remain champ for awhile. That, in my opinion, is what makes him the top dog. Unified or not (and being realistic here, if the other belt holders can get out of a fight with Klitchko, they will), he's undisputed in my book. He looks clumsy, but his will and heart are strong enough to make what tools he has work extremely effectively for him. People can trash talk all they want about him being a quitter, etc. but from everything I've seen, when the **** gets deep in the ring, he just puts on waders and gets back to work. You can't find fault in that.

[!! Mr. Soprano]

Wlad does deserve a title shot simply because he was the WBO champ never given a re-match.

As far as for Vitaly, I don't think none of the current HvW pose a thread, thus I would consider him #1 (at this point of course)

[!! Mr. Soprano]

i dont see Wlad lasting against Tyson, how can he survive the onslaught?

Both W. Klitschko and Tyson are heavy hitters, both have stamina problems... Tyson has a much better chin, but Klitschko has the size advantage.

I know, I know, tyson used to drop those big guys left and right, but that was back in the days..

I think the fight could go either way

[hollister]

I am a fan of the Klit bros, but i dont let that affect my judgement into bias, i try to call things fairly.... for instance, unless there's proof that wlad was drugged, i think that he just got tired and loss... but here are some other random thoughts from things I keep reading in this forum...


wlad does/does not deserve a title shot?
i'm in the middle on this.... if you look at his recent losses(brewster/sanders) and his recent wins, you would have to say no he doesn't deserve a title shot... but then take a look at what ruiz did prior to his first title shot, who did he beat? who did brewster beat to deserve his shot? who did golota, mccline or fres beat? take that into consideration with wlad's previous wins over mccline and byrd and you have to admit that he deserves it as much as all the other guys who are getting title shots..

VK the top heavyweight?
he does have the 2 losses to lewis and byrd, despite the debated outcomes.... ruiz has 5 losses(to some lesser opponents) and byrd also has two losses... more importantly however, VK is winning decidedly, Byrd is not.... byrd has eaked out 3 str8 close decisions while VK has 3 str8 KO's.... meanwhile, ruiz has a KO over fres and close dec. over golota, but nobody was impressed with ruiz in either fight... plus you could argue VK has faced better comp recently... fres and golota have never beaten anyone decent, while sanders and williams have beaten tyson and wlad... lasty, the PPV featuring VK sold as many buys as the PPV featuring ruiz, byrd and rahman... while neither PPV did well, it goes to show that ruiz and byrd have no drawing power and maybe an indication that few people see them as the real heavyweight champion...

i dont think its definitive that VK is #1, until he beats ruiz and byrd, so i can understand if anybody doesnt feel that way and thinks someone else is the top guy... but i agree with magazine, the only official rankings that haven't been bought, vk is on top right now....

Excellent points, and put much better that it would have been from me lol
I completely agree. In a way though, I would like to see Wlad fight Peter and ruin him so I don't have to hear about him being the next (dare I say it) George Foreman.

[cupcrazy01]

Blasphemy!

Someone said Peter was the next George Foreman?!?!?
Who? I demand answers!!!

Seriously though, if someone made that comparison I hope it was qualified with something like "if his power is for real and he KOs some top 10 heavies" or better yet "if he cleans out the crappy division and KOs all the champs in consecutive fights"...yeah, then that label will have a LITTLE credence...albeit a very very small amount...

I like what I've seen from Peter, but watching these heavys compared to the 70s, 80s and even early-to-mid 90s is like watching AAA baseball vs. the big leagues...

[Shaolin Bushido]

I dont' think Vit's "special" in terms of ability but I don't have a problem regarding him as "the man" for the time being. It's just a designation to rank everyone else imo.

Vlad don't "deserve" ****. However tons of guys have received title shots that didnt' deserve it. He's marketable though and in our favorite sport ...

... that's usually enough.

[guru]

i dont see Wlad lasting against Tyson, how can he survive the onslaught?

although i do consider tyson a shot fighter, he is someone that could pose alot of problems for wlad... tyson, even in defeat, usualy takes alot of punishment.. he's not easy to get out of there...

wlad's best options after castillo are barret, fres, mcline, mesi(if available), moorer and byrd....


also, it appears that fighting at heavey has taken its toll on byrd... he's struggling to beat even mediorce guys... i can't see VK struggling to beat fres or mccline...