After the Pacman "Schools" Pretty Boy in Fistic Warfare...

[GG Marquez]

Right, I got you. I wonder about Floyd's adaptation and figuring-out process, or whether it's more of a tactic similar to Pacquiao's approach to the first few rounds of the Cotto fight where the opponent is made to feel comfortable, and then once his confidence has grown his mistakes are exploited. Probably summed up best by the quote from Tsu Sun: "All warfare is based on deception. Even though you are competent, appear to be incompetent. Though effective, appear to be ineffective."

Personally, I think Pacquiao is too smart to fall into a predictable enough pattern where Floyd could successfully adapt and keep it locked. He may be forced to think faster than what is comfortable. Manny's pace can be overwhelming, and regardless of what Floyd says about Manny being one-dimensional (!), I'm gonna disagree and say he is multi-dimensional. Floyd should realize there's been improvements in Pacquiao since his days of fighting recklessly and being over-aggressive. It's obvious to anyone with half-decent eyesight.

But anyway... regarding "schooling him", I agree, it probably won't apply in a Manny-Floyd fight, because both of them are fluent enough in what they do and neither has an easy style to beat. The one thing that constantly stands out though, is Pacquiao's power. More specifically how it had made his last two opponents crumble, turning both fights around as soon as they were caught (by surprise) with a something with a intention behind it. It's hard not to believe that Mayweather will be tagged at some point. This is not comparing Hatton or Cotto to Floyd, btw. Just using it as an example of that combination of power with speed, perfectly timed from an unexpected angle. Roach and Pacquiao seem to focus lots on one particular move tailored to the opponent in every fight nowadays, and Manny always manages to pull it off clean. Roach does study hard. I give him props for finding one thing that usually works well.

For me, early success for Mayweather would seem to be the fights' logical introduction, but if he gets tagged... who knows. Pacquiao will be landing shots for sure though.

I think this is a good post.

That is where the ring intelligence comes in. The boxing IQ. Regarding mayweather, you have seen him hit by a cetain punch once in a fight. Maybe twice. For Pacquiao to win, that one or two landed punches mustmustmust derail Floyd. Because Floyd will make the adjustment to take that gameplan away. Now it is round 4 and Pacquiao's main gameplan is out the window. What now?

That is where it becomes a battle of ring IQ and instincts. Can Pacquiao dig in and shift to a plan B or C that will make him effective in rounds 5-8? And then, if necessary, shift again to plans D, E and F to control rounds 9-12?

What impresses people about Floyd shouldn't be the physical skills, because those were God-given. It is how smart he is about the boxing game when you really listen to him. Aside from the bragging and the insults. The guy really knows the sport, and he kind of "slows time" when he is in the ring.

I think Roach and Pac will have an excellent plan coming in. I have no doubt of that. I also feel that Floyd will adjust and see what Pac is trying to do.

Mayweather is like Tiger Woods or Barry Bonds in that they grew up in the sport. At a high level. You just learn so much from listening and being in gyms when you were six years old. It becomes instinct.

By the time Manny learned all the stuff from Freddie, Floyd was already a master.

I can envision a scenario where this fight plays out similar to FMJ/Judah or FMJ/Hatton. Competitive early, Floyd makes adjustments, Floyd takes six rounds in a row.

No. I am not comparing Pac to Judah/Hatton. Just the flow of the fight.

[PensionKiller]

I already got $300 on this fight.

Past fights i've bet on: DLH vs Floyd loss- $350

Cotto vs Margarito loss- $50

Pac vs DLH loss- $100

Margarito vs Mosley loss- $50

Pac vs Marquez loss- $20

Pac vs cotto loss- $40

lol I have no luck.

This fight is 50/50. Bet on Pac and you may lose lol.

[S A M U R A I]

the way i see it if jmm can beat the **** out of pac why wouldt floyd if he has the same skills as jmm x20? i just dont see pac winning this fight.

Three things to consider, though.

A) Triangle theory sucks
B) Pacquiao + weight cutting to 130lbs = bad idea
C) Marquez throws combos



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[S A M U R A I]

I think this is a good post.

That is where the ring intelligence comes in. The boxing IQ. Regarding mayweather, you have seen him hit by a cetain punch once in a fight. Maybe twice. For Pacquiao to win, that one or two landed punches mustmustmust derail Floyd. Because Floyd will make the adjustment to take that gameplan away. Now it is round 4 and Pacquiao's main gameplan is out the window. What now?

That is where it becomes a battle of ring IQ and instincts. Can Pacquiao dig in and shift to a plan B or C that will make him effective in rounds 5-8? And then, if necessary, shift again to plans D, E and F to control rounds 9-12?

What impresses people about Floyd shouldn't be the physical skills, because those were God-given. It is how smart he is about the boxing game when you really listen to him. Aside from the bragging and the insults. The guy really knows the sport, and he kind of "slows time" when he is in the ring.

I think Roach and Pac will have an excellent plan coming in. I have no doubt of that. I also feel that Floyd will adjust and see what Pac is trying to do.

Mayweather is like Tiger Woods or Barry Bonds in that they grew up in the sport. At a high level. You just learn so much from listening and being in gyms when you were six years old. It becomes instinct.

By the time Manny learned all the stuff from Freddie, Floyd was already a master.

I can envision a scenario where this fight plays out similar to FMJ/Judah or FMJ/Hatton. Competitive early, Floyd makes adjustments, Floyd takes six rounds in a row.

No. I am not comparing Pac to Judah/Hatton. Just the flow of the fight.

What's interesting here is we see it the opposite way, though I can see where you're coming from.

Regarding ring IQ, no doubt Floyd is top notch. If their fight does happen to unfold in the way you see it, this is where we will see if the fighter is able to out-fight the boxer, or vice-versa. Mental strength (not to be overlooked) will play a part somewhere. Is Manny's strength of mind greater, equal or lesser to Floyd's ring IQ? Holy intangibles Batman...



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[d0n]

He'll try for a comeback fight and if given might just win it..depending on whether or not he was really whipped hard. If the rematch ain't given he'll claim Pac's afraid and got lucky... ?

[zeidrich]

i see mayweather retire if he lose

[GG Marquez]

Three things to consider, though.

A) Triangle theory sucks
B) Pacquiao + weight cutting to 130lbs = bad idea
C) Marquez throws combos

Mayweather throws combos. He just waits until the right time. Floyd is overly cautious. Please see these rounds:



The combos in Round 8 were excellent. bod/body/head/body:

[S A M U R A I]

Mayweather throws combos. He just waits until the right time. Floyd is overly cautious. Please see these rounds:



The combos in Round 8 were excellent. bod/body/head/body:

OK, but that was Ricky Hattion and Zab Judah!

No need to post the Pacquiao-Hatton fight, I guess.



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[GG Marquez]

OK, but that was Ricky Hattion and Zab Judah!

Please refer to the closing sentence of post 51.

[M.I Truth ?]

Threads like these are a little over the top with assumption. For me its pick em fight though i give mayweather the edge slightly do to his ability to avoid and roll dangerous shots. The thing is pac will most likely catch him at some point. What happens after that is what makes it interesting. Pac has to try to overwhelm Floyd but i think roach may be putting too much stock in Mayweathers body breaking down. Floyd is tougher than some give him credit for and Manny is at this point a better boxer than people give him credit for.