The reason the heavyweights suck

[foremanfan]

Ruiz, Golota, Byrd, Tyson, Holyfield, they are the reason for me.

[blackbelt2003]

Thing is, they're all good fighters in their place.

It's just that the division is a mess and they're getting big fights they don't deserve.


Black

[foremanfan]

Thing is, they're all good fighters in their place.

It's just that the division is a mess and they're getting big fights they don't deserve.


Black

Even if ther was some kind of elimination series what we have isn't that good at the moment a prime Foreman or Tyson or Holmes or for gods sake Bruno would beat them.

[blackbelt2003]

C'mon, man...BRUNO?!?!?


But I know what you mean. Standard wise the division is pretty bad...but that doesn't mean it can't be fun if we can get a unified champion and get the right matches on.


I STILL wanna see Klit-Golota, for instance.

And how about Byrd-Toney fir the purists.


And how about Ruiz-Tua 2? COME BACK DAVID! ALL IS FORGIVEN!


Black

[foremanfan]

C'mon, man...BRUNO?!?!?


But I know what you mean. Standard wise the division is pretty bad...but that doesn't mean it can't be fun if we can get a unified champion and get the right matches on.


I STILL wanna see Klit-Golota, for instance.

And how about Byrd-Toney fir the purists.


And how about Ruiz-Tua 2? COME BACK DAVID! ALL IS FORGIVEN!


Black

Bruno I didn't rate that highly really but I really think very little of the current crop I think Vitali would beat the majority of todays fighters and sanders was able to shake up Vitali a few times so I wouldn't be surprised if Bruno did it.

[blackbelt2003]

If there's one thing Bruno could do it was ****.

But he was intimidated by some fighters, and I think he'd have fought scared against Klit before getting taken out.


Sanders did hit him, but with quick, sharp shots.

Bruno's are the clobbering, ponderous type.


Black

[dempseyfire]

A few reasons why the HWs suck:

1) Less HW fighters= Much smaller pool of talent
2) PPV and less fights being fought means more protected prospects who won't fight anyone dangerous until the pay-day fight
3) Lack of quality trainers-besides Roach and Steward, everyone else are not great trainers.
4) Lack of skills/talent-Mostly due to reason # 1 and b/c so many HWs weigh too much. Rahman has power but is slow and very technically limited. Even in the 80s he would've been outboxed by most of the top guys. Vitali, Ruiz, Oquendo, McCline??? Just look at them . ..
5) The HW division is TOO OLD. What the hell is going on when your average HW contender is 34 years old!!! At 34 twenty years ago you are heading towards retirement. But now its the prime of your career! Golota is 36, Toney is 36, Byrd and McCline are 34, Vitali is 33, Donald and Sanders are 38, Rahman at 32 is now considered young. The only top 10 guy in his 20s is 28 yr old Wladimir Klitschko, who has already gone through two 'rebuilding stages' due to embarassing losses. At 28 he should be in the prime of his career.
The HWs should be re-named the senior division.

[xoalvinox]

Vitali to the rescue.

Lets keep our fingers crossed.

There WAS Dominic Guinn, but we all knew what happened to him...

[KJ]

I think the skill level is relatively high.

Byrd is one of the most skillful heavyweights in years, for a start.

I think the problem is that the three titlists just aren't exciting names. If they were to unify it would give one of them a big deal more respect, and it would make sense of the rankings.

If, for instance, Klit unified the belts, the others would HAVE to fight each other to jostle for position to fight him, whereas at the moment the contenders can just sit around and wait for one of the three titlists to need an opponent.


Black

I think you hit the nail on its head here and concur.

[catskills23]

I think the only great trainer in the division is frddie roach , he has do woners with toneys career taught him excellent boxing technique , the same with tyson he has got him back to his old peek a boo style , the onlt that has being able to get him to do it since kevin rooney . Believe me if all the trainers in the division were half as good as freddie roach , the division would be much better and the fighters would be much better , look at rahman for example the guy dosent even know how to counter punch , somebody needs to teach this guy how to box he has the tools there just not being used properly . James toney is the only good counter puncher in the division surely that shouldnt be the case . I dont see why there should be a lack of talent out there they are 6 billon people in the world , surley there is one person out there who has the tools to be a great heavyweight .