I think Teddy Atlas was right about Cotto

**Doctor_Tenma** · 11-26-2009, 07:49 PM

I've said the same crap and most of these idiots got mad and told me it was due to the cut. I was pissed because a cut doesn't do that. Mentally Cotto isn't the same.

**Spray_resistant** · 11-26-2009, 07:55 PM

Originally posted by Dominicano Soy!

I've said the same crap and most of these idiots got mad and told me it was due to the cut. I was pissed because a cut doesn't do that. Mentally Cotto isn't the same.

If Clottey stepped it up he would have stopped him, but he doesn't punch when he needs to......Cotto will be fine against top fights who don't know alot of punches but anyone with power and a high workrate has a good chance of stopping him.

**DLT** · 11-26-2009, 08:03 PM

Atlas is a bad man

**Spray_resistant** · 11-26-2009, 08:06 PM

Originally posted by DLT

Atlas is a bad man

For spoiling the Pac/Cotto fight like that.

**markfrombrookly** · 11-26-2009, 08:21 PM

Yeah it's obvious that he lost something physically and mentally too. His punches don't look as strong as they did from past fights. Margarito ruined him that cheating no good bastard. Cotto will never be as good as he was. It's a shame too because he was a great fighter.

**freedom213** · 11-27-2009, 01:32 PM

Originally posted by Spray_resistant

In this vid at about 1:25 Atlas talks about how Cotto lost something mentally from the beating he took from Marg.....possibly with plaster involved and how it effected him in the Clottey fight but Clottey didn't "behave like a fighter" and take advantage of it where Pac would.
I think he was completely proven correct. I am not saying Cotto doesn't have heart because he has tremendous heart and I love watching him fight but in the fight with Pac he made a compromise with himself when things got rough after the 6th or the 7th I can't remember exactly when I saw it. It seemed like he made a silent agreement mentally where for what every reason maybe to do more than he did against Marg or maybe for his Puerto Rican fans that he was not going to quit no matter how bad it got but resolved to stop trying to win and just make it to the end......Kenny Bayliss took that choice from him in the end but I think he would have made it no matter what happened had he been allowed to continue.
The point is that Atlas was right and Cotto lost too much from that Marg fight and will never be the same or as good. Do you agree or disagree and did you see what I saw in Cotto when he made the compromise to not give up and quit but stop trying to win and just survive during the mid rounds?

I like Atlas but some times he believes his own bull**** a little too much. He is so dramatic. Pac beat Cotto mainly because he was too fast, too active, just so good right now and he hurt Cotto early and Cotto never could recover. If Teddy is right about anything on Cotto it may be that his punch resistance has been weakened form multiple hard fights. Dont think thats a psychological problem maybe more neurological.

**Bad Boy Dazza** · 11-27-2009, 01:39 PM

I think he just realised (after getting knocked down already - and so easily) that if he tried for a win he would get KTFO.

Originally posted by Spray_resistant

In this vid at about 1:25 Atlas talks about how Cotto lost something mentally from the beating he took from Marg.....possibly with plaster involved and how it effected him in the Clottey fight but Clottey didn't "behave like a fighter" and take advantage of it where Pac would.
I think he was completely proven correct. I am not saying Cotto doesn't have heart because he has tremendous heart and I love watching him fight but in the fight with Pac he made a compromise with himself when things got rough after the 6th or the 7th I can't remember exactly when I saw it. It seemed like he made a silent agreement mentally where for what every reason maybe to do more than he did against Marg or maybe for his Puerto Rican fans that he was not going to quit no matter how bad it got but resolved to stop trying to win and just make it to the end......Kenny Bayliss took that choice from him in the end but I think he would have made it no matter what happened had he been allowed to continue.
The point is that Atlas was right and Cotto lost too much from that Marg fight and will never be the same or as good. Do you agree or disagree and did you see what I saw in Cotto when he made the compromise to not give up and quit but stop trying to win and just survive during the mid rounds?

**Soda Popinski** · 11-27-2009, 01:41 PM

Originally posted by Dominicano Soy!

Mentally Cotto isn't the same.

Agree. And sadly it's not the first time it's happened either. Look what happened to Billy Collins FFS. Cotto suddenly went on a crazy tattoo binge and looks like crap. Beatings like that change people. It's this that makes me wish to see Margacheato banned for life. **** him with a rake.

**ummid** · 11-27-2009, 02:08 PM

Originally posted by Spray_resistant

In this vid at about 1:25 Atlas talks about how Cotto lost something mentally from the beating he took from Marg.....possibly with plaster involved and how it effected him in the Clottey fight but Clottey didn't "behave like a fighter" and take advantage of it where Pac would.
I think he was completely proven correct. I am not saying Cotto doesn't have heart because he has tremendous heart and I love watching him fight but in the fight with Pac he made a compromise with himself when things got rough after the 6th or the 7th I can't remember exactly when I saw it. It seemed like he made a silent agreement mentally where for what every reason maybe to do more than he did against Marg or maybe for his Puerto Rican fans that he was not going to quit no matter how bad it got but resolved to stop trying to win and just make it to the end......Kenny Bayliss took that choice from him in the end but I think he would have made it no matter what happened had he been allowed to continue.
The point is that Atlas was right and Cotto lost too much from that Marg fight and will never be the same or as good. Do you agree or disagree and did you see what I saw in Cotto when he made the compromise to not give up and quit but stop trying to win and just survive during the mid rounds?

this should have been discussed before the fight with pac not after, as it now just seems nothing more than a glorified excuse. i'm not saying that you are deliberately doing it, but from the timing of this post, it really has a bad taste.

yes, he could have lost something after that margarito fight, hell, he could have lost more after the clottey fight, but who's to say he didn't lose anything from those fights but just lost them instead mid fight against pac? i know it's easier to just look at his past fights and blame the bigger, badder opponents for taking something from him (considering one arguably used plaster) than say a blown up featherweight was the cause of the mental damage but if you think about it, cotto started out great against those guys partly because of their speed, or lack thereof.

when he faced pac, he faced someone who was able to neutralize his jab with a right hook early in the fight. we are talking about someone who was able to shutdown cotto's main weapon, and dish out angles he's never seen partly due to his footwork. compared to his previous fights where he was just either cut, or plain overpowered, he was losing the pac fight in more than just one aspect: speed, power (arguably), boxing, footwork, stamina, chin, corner advice... all those plus the shock effect he wasn't expecting from a smaller man.

i don't care which version of cotto you put in there but anyone who was at that much disadvantage (damaged or not) is bound to lose something mentally.

I think Teddy Atlas was right about Cotto