What Happeneds If Floyd Kills Pac?

[DLT]

As I said by Floyd beating Pac that doesn't mean he has a better resume than Pac. Floyd been doing that for a long time at the WW by waiting everyone to lose. That's like Lucian Bute beating the winner of the Super Middleweight tourney and then retire.

unlike you and 2501, I actually think Floyd will fight on and wants Mosley. If you dont know me and my thoughts, Ill try to break it down quickly. I think Floyd really didnt want any part of Margarito & Cotto before he retired but Im ok with that because I think he felt that he was too small to physically compete with the big WW's. Remember he was fighting Zab & Baldy at WW and coming into the ring at 146 pounds at the same exact time Pac was at SFW coming into the ring at 147 pounds and killing cats. I dont think Floyd minds losing but if he lost then he wanted it to be because someone is better than him, not just because they were too big for him to do anything with. I think he wouldve killed himself if he wouldve lost to an inferior talent like Margarito. Thats why I think he retired.

Its only a weight thing. Now I still think he's the smallest of the WW's besides Pac but he's big enough to handle himself now. He's more filled out then he was agaisnt Baldy where he looked like a flat board in the ring. Now I beleive he 100% could care less about fighting a WW, even if they were all in there primes but he's not dumb enough to fight them 1st when he has a JMM & Pac fight on the table. You are supposed to go up, not down. I bet anything that he fights Mosley next or a Clottey, then Mosley

[DLT]

TS i think it's an interesting question, i wonder that too: if Floyd dominates, will they forget the way he cherry picked and give him his props? Will they still say Floyd fought a smaller/ unmotivated/ constipated Pacquiao?

I think Pacquiao's ATG spot is cemented in the eyes of real boxing experts. If JMM is a respected ATG, Pacquiao is hands down a top 20 ATG.

TS's point is interesting coz he puts the emphasis on two excessive attitudes in boxing:

-people not wanting to give any prop to Floyd Mayweather Jr. Floyd cherry picked but also had his great performances and fought good opposition. He's no Sven Ottke.

-people going with the flow and just caring about the flashy stuff. I knew Manny was a great fighter before the DLH fight. Most " fans" don't and see the DLH fight as a bigger achievement than the Barrera wins.

Finally, someone who truly gets my question. I didnt have an agenda with it. I really was thinking about this and wanted to know what people think. I still dont truly know what they will say both ways if this happened

[MakeDamnSure]

unlike you and 2501, I actually think Floyd will fight on and wants Mosley. If you dont know me and my thoughts, Ill try to break it down quickly. I think Floyd really didnt want any part of Margarito & Cotto before he retired but Im ok with that because I think he felt that he was too small to physically compete with the big WW's. Remember he was fighting Zab & Baldy at WW and coming into the ring at 146 pounds at the same exact time Pac was at SFW coming into the ring at 147 pounds and killing cats. I dont think Floyd minds losing but if he lost then he wanted it to be because someone is better than him, not just because they were too big for him to do anything with. I think he wouldve killed himself if he wouldve lost to an inferior talent like Margarito. Thats why I think he retired.

Its only a weight thing. Now I still think he's the smallest of the WW's besides Pac but he's big enough to handle himself now. He's more filled out then he was agaisnt Baldy where he looked like a flat board in the ring. Now I beleive he 100% could care less about fighting a WW, even if they were all in there primes but he's not dumb enough to fight them 1st when he has a JMM & Pac fight on the table. You are supposed to go up, not down. I bet anything that he fights Mosley next or a Clottey, then Mosley

Pac who fought at 130 last year was able to fight Cotto first than Floyd. ?Remember Floyd and Margarito were under Top Rank at that time when Floyd picked 10 losses Baldomir over him. Floyd had that chance when Cotto beat Mosley but he retired.. I would put Floyd top 10 ATG if he had just fought Margarito, Cotto and Mosley.

[jrosales13]

IDK man, thats apples & oranges if you ask me. There isnt really anything different about 40 fights & 200 fights. Its just that back in the day they fought more often. Its still over the same period. I mean when guys 1st come to the pros alot of them have 10 fights per year and in the amatures they have more than that. Im saying that if they wanted to then they could easily have fights. I mean, what is sparring? Its not a real fight but they could just have real fights instead of sparring. To me you cant put that on a fighter or say that makes him less. Thats just the way the game has evolved for safety and financial reasons. The same with 15 round fights. You dont think Pac & Floyd can go 15? Even if you have a 15 round fight, it doesnt mean its going 15. KO artist would stop all there guys before 12 got there anyways. I do agree that Pac isnt on a Ray Robinson level though

How is there no different between 40 and 200 fights. Fighters back then also had amateur career and had sparring. If you look at fighter of today when they have over 50 fights and are 30yrs old they already are considered down hill. Moore could have over 200 fights at age 40 and still going strong. And, like I said they also had amateur fights and sparring that is nothing new. And, going 15rds causes more wear and tear to your body. Is not that Pac or Floyd can not fight for 15rds cuz I believe they could but if you look Floyd he has been fighting 12rds and 39 fights and had to take a break from boxing. If he was fighting 15rds he probably would of had to take a break even sooner. Don't use the amateur and sparring as an excuse cuz the old timers did that too. True fighters fight 10x a year when they go pro but they fighting 4rd fights. As soon as they start doing 10 or 12rds fights they fight 2-3x a year and if they are fighting 4x a year then that means they are very active. While back then they fought 8x a year 15rds figths. That is crazy you can not compare. Like I said there is noting overrated about the old school. The new school is somewhat overrated.

[DLT]

How is there no different between 40 and 200 fights. Fighters back then also had amateur career and had sparring. If you look at fighter of today when they have over 50 fights and are 30yrs old they already are considered down hill. Moore could have over 200 fights at age 40 and still going strong. And, like I said they also had amateur fights and sparring that is nothing new. And, going 15rds causes more wear and tear to your body. Is not that Pac or Floyd can not fight for 15rds cuz I believe they could but if you look Floyd he has been fighting 12rds and 39 fights and had to take a break from boxing. If he was fighting 15rds he probably would of had to take a break even sooner. Don't use the amateur and sparring as an excuse cuz the old timers did that too. True fighters fight 10x a year when they go pro but they fighting 4rd fights. As soon as they start doing 10 or 12rds fights they fight 2-3x a year and if they are fighting 4x a year then that means they are very active. While back then they fought 8x a year 15rds figths. That is crazy you can not compare. Like I said there is noting overrated about the old school. The new school is somewhat overrated.

but my point is that you act like it cant be done or that it automaticaly means that fights break you down and not your age. I dont agree with that. My point is that I think pretty much all of these guys could have over a hundred fights at the same point they now have 40 and physicaly could be on the same level. It was just what the job was called for. I mean they are talking about taking baseball down to 120 games instead of 162. If that happeneds does it automaticaly mean that the new guys are softer or couldnt go 162 for 10 years without there bodies breaking down?

Case & point, if Archie Moore or SRR fought today, they wouldnt be fighting 200 fights. They would be fighting 30-50 like everyone else, even if they had the same exact body & conditioning. Its just what the game is called for now. It doesnt mean that these guys couldnt do it. Think about this also. If everyone was fighting 100-200 fights now, who would they be fighting? They would still be fighting eachother so its not like 1 guy is doing it and another isnt. No one will have an advantage so it could easily be done. Floyd needed a break but Floyd lives boxing 24/7. He stays in the gym even when he's not fighting. Dont tell me he couldnt have 100 fights if he wanted to. Its just now how it works nowdays

[johnm is...]

gatti and chico were when he was still throwing combos...he needed a ringpost against hatton


but seriously, you guys really think floyd would kill anyone in the ring?

If the check hook had happened more in the center of the ring, I think Hatton may have fallen through the ropes, and out of the ring. I often wonder what would have happened had the same thing happened away from the ring post.

No, Floyd won't be killing anyone any time soon. I think he beats Pac, but I imagine it will be in a very boring fashion.

[DLT]

Pac who fought at 130 last year was able to fight Cotto first than Floyd. ?Remember Floyd and Margarito were under Top Rank at that time when Floyd picked 10 losses Baldomir over him. Floyd had that chance when Cotto beat Mosley but he retired.. I would put Floyd top 10 ATG if he had just fought Margarito, Cotto and Mosley.

Pac was 130 but lets not act like he was a little boy or something. Again, he was bigger in the ring than Floyd was at WW. Also, the Pac who fought Cotto is easily more bigger & stronger than the Floyd who was fighting Baldy. Its not even close if you look at there bodies. Pac was a thick, cut, monster while Floyd looked like a skinny flat board. Plus lets be real, Pac didnt fight the same Cotto that Floyd wouldve had to fight. Even Roach says that

[C.Y.]

1) Pac is a real welterweight. He has dominated two real welterweights.

2) It would say that Pac is tremendously overrated. Top 10 ATG's don't get shut down. They lose fights. But how many times have you seen a top-tier ATG get dominated?

-or-

It would say that Floyd has been tremendously underrated, and he is better than we all thought and he is a top-tier ATG.

Duran has been dominated on a few occasions..

if floyd beats manny, dominates him, people are still going to hate on floyd

[Spear]

Serious question. No trolling or smart remarks.

When I say kill, I mean if Floyd dominates him wether thats the way he did Chico or Gatti or N'Dou or JMM or how MAB did Naz. I know all those fights were different kinds so thats my point, whatever way you want to take it.

Pac was considered at ATG after the Cotto win and Ive seen some writers say thats he's on the Ray Robinson level while others like Burt Sugar have said that he's better than Sweet Pea. Alot of people have said that he's the best of this era and they would rank him over Floyd even if he loses. However, if Floyd kills him then what will people say about both guys?

Would alot of people take back that ATG stuff about Pac? Would he still be an ATG but just dropped really low. Would people not see it as a big loss and say that he's still one of the best ever but Floyd was just too big. Would he still be considered the best of this era? Would he be higher than Floyd on the ATG list? Would suddenly those same wins that everyone praised him for, now start to not look so great? Remember, Im not talking about just losing but if Floyd dominates him.

Where would Floyd rank on the ATG list? Would he now jump ahead of Pac suddenly? Would he be considered the best of this era? Would that make the JMM win suddenly look 10x better if he were able to beat Pac just as easily as he did JMM? Would they instead say that if he beat Pac that easy then it proves that he was just too big and Pac is still P4P better or ATG better. Would Floyd get the same hype that Pac got after the Cotto win or will people still not look at him in that same light? Would all of his accomplishments suddenly look better? Would people give him super credit for dominating a great fighter and easily beating the top 2 guys in the sport after 2 years off or will they say that he cherry picked both guys and the wins mean nothing special because they were moving up?

Would people now switch there thoughts on JMM and how a JMM-Pac fight would play out at the higher weights if Floyd beat Pac just as easily as he did Juan. There are more questions but you get the hint. How will people see that victory by Floyd and does he move past Pac in every way or does Pac stay in front of him in alot of ways?

this guy hates on pac fans for hating floyd but this guy has been making veiled hate threads about pac. trying to disguise it as "serious question here." Now with this not so veiled hate thread. Did you look at marquez face after the floyd fight? not a single mark on it. how in the world is he gonna kill pac?


ps- stop pretending to be neutral or unbiased about manny vs floyd. all your posts & threads are either slyly trying to bash manny & crying about all the hate floyd gets.

red k for being a snake on the internet.

[DLT]

this guy hates on pac fans for hating floyd but this guy has been making veiled hate threads about pac. trying to disguise it as "serious question here." Now with this not so veiled hate thread. Did you look at marquez face after the floyd fight? not a single mark on it. how in the world is he gonna kill pac?


ps- stop pretending to be neutral or unbiased about manny vs floyd. all your posts & threads are either slyly trying to bash manny & crying about all the hate floyd gets.

red k for being a snake on the internet.

Im not unbiased fool. Everyone knows that Im a Floyd fan and pick Floyd over Pac but unlike you, that doesnt mean that I cant make serious threads. The point of this thread is not me trying to hide my views or bash Pac. The point of the thread is to genuinely see how everyone feels about it. I know what I would say but I think what others and writers say may be different. Im trying to hear how they would put it. It doesnt mean Im right or they are wrong if there opinion is different than mine. Thats the point of the thread. After you hear some of the answers then you might know better how people will view it if this event occured but some are answering just like you which makes no sense. Just because Im a Floyd fan doesnt mean that I have to flat out hate Pac. Maybe thats what you do but not me