De La Hoya was the measuring stick for which greatness was determined

[The Texican]

I thought ODH easily beat Mosley in their rematch.
Its simple, he lost the first fight because he used the wrong tactics. He tried to fight Mosley instead of outbox him like he did in their return match.

ODH was a great fighter, it wouldnt of been so bad had he lost to Sturm because Oscar had no business going to the middleweight division anyway.
But the robberies against Tito and Mosley affected his legacy, he should of got those wins

Totally agree here. He catches so much **** for his losses, but if he had got the decisions like he should have then he splits with Mosely and owns Tito.

[dans]

**** de la hoya...im glad that he got retired in that fashion

Really Mak? I know he was a bit of a pain in the ass, but what he did for the sport is incredible. Without De La Hoya, Manny wouldn't be making the money he does today and neither would Floyd. Oscar paved the way for those big paydays for smaller fighters. Not only that, but fighting Oscar allowed Manny to be a huge star and propelled his career to new heights.

[Ch@mpBox@PR]

The Tito fight was a draw in my eyes and he did beat Mosley in the second fight.

he had the for me one of teh greates resume of all time, with his wins and loses!

[dans]

The Tito fight was a draw in my eyes and he did beat Mosley in the second fight.

he had the for me one of teh greates resume of all time, with his wins and loses!

The level of competition is second to none. Who fought better competetition in the last 20 years? I can't think of anyone.

[Dynamite Kid]

If you take a look at Oscar's career, and his opponents, it's easy to see Oscar was the measuring stick for greatness throughout his career.

Take a look at Oscar's career:

Wins
Ruelas (Good, not great)
Genaro Hernandez (Good, not great)
Julion Cesar Chavez (Great, but he was only "good" when DLH fought him)
Whitaker (Great, but he was only "good" when DLH fought him)
Camacho (Great, but he was only "good" when DLH fought him)
Quartey (Good, but not great)
Oba Carr (Good, not great)
Gatti (Good, not great)
Castillejo (Good, not great)
Vargas (Good, not great)
Sturm (Good, not great, controversial)
Mayorga (Good, not great)

Losses
Trinidad (Great, but since it was controversial, it could've been Oscar's only GREAT win)
Mosley (Great)
Hopkins (Great)
Mayweather (Great)
Pacquiao (Great)

The Sturm and Trinidad fights are really the only exceptions. Sturm most people believe beat Oscar, including me. Trinidad, many thought Oscar did enough to win. If those two decisions were reversed, Oscar would have 1 win against a great, and only 1 loss against a "good" fighter.

But amazingly enough, even the controversial decisions prove the point that Oscar was the measuring stick for boxing throughout his career. If you were great, you beat Oscar, if you were just good, you didn't.

Pretty incredible how his career played out.

Quartey (Good, but not great) controversial

[Kunty McPhuck]

Oscar wrote the blueprint on how to beat Tito, its a shame he went on his bike for the last 4 rounds

[NYU Alum.]

De La Hoya was the measuring stick for which greatness was determined

That's the biggest lmao, load of bull**** I've ever heard, Are you f**kin' kiddin' me ?

De La Hoya was a walkin' $$$$$ to all the other fighters, that's why they wanted to fight him, nothin' more, nothin' less!!

For you to say that De La Fraud was the benchmark for greatness, where does that leave RJJ, Holyfield and a few others from the 90's ??

[tesla_power]

De La Hoya was the measuring stick for which greatness was determined

That's the biggest lmao, load of bull**** I've ever heard, Are you f**kin' kiddin' me ?

De La Hoya was a walkin' $$$$$ to all the other fighters, that's why they wanted to fight him, nothin' more, nothin' less!!

For you to say that De La Fraud was the benchmark for greatness, where does that leave RJJ, Holyfield and a few others from the 90's ??

He just stated a case and proceeded in validating his points. It's actually very good. In today's times, marketability is also one of those greatness factors. And DLH is the portal to that marketability. You are right there.

Maybe TS should just include "for the following weights only" because you are nitpicking greats in the heavier weight classes.

[mic573]

i think the guys who beat DLH and deserve major credit are pbf and sugar shane. shane defeated a prime DLH, a fighter who if he was around today would probably clean up the WW and LMW division. pbf a tthe time was still a natural LWW, was fighting 2 weight divisions above his natural weight class, against DLh who at the time was a top 10 p4p and he was fighting on DLH's terms - you have to give lil' floyd major props.

Delahoya was not even in p4p discussions when he fought Mayweather. I give credit to Mayweather for moving up and fighting Delahoya but beating Delahoya was no longer a huge accomplishment anymore by the time Mayweather stepped in the ring with him. It was a guaranteed victory and the biggest payday for Mayweather at the time.

[DonTaseMeBrah]

**** de la hoya...im glad that he got retired in that fashion

i wish he came out for the 9th round & took some more punches.