mayweather..overrated, a fraud, a ducker, etc

[Left Hook Tua]

I give him a pass on casa and freitas because those guys were coming on at a point where mayweather wouldnt have proven much by beating them, both of those guys reached their apex really when floyd left the division and like you said, Corralles having been the guy to beat both of them in my opinion cancels them out.

But come on man, spadafora? mayweather would get no love at all for fighting that dude, to me, thats no different than when he beat angel manfredy, and even manfredy was more credible than paul "i shot my wife" spadafora

come on , man. just because corrales beat them later on didn't mean floyd didn't need to.

they were #2 and #3 right after mayweather when he was fighting other guys at 130. not to mention they were both undefeated at the time and champions.

casa and freitas had been right below corrales and floyd at 130 since 1999. floyd had how many fights from 1999 'til 2002 when he left for 135.



don't knock spada either. he was top ranked at 135 for years and was a champion for 3-4 years by the time floyd moved to 135. hell by the time floyd moved to 135 spada had TWO belts. the wba and ibf.

[el malo]

At welterweight, i think he came in thinking that after judah, he would be all good and be able to move onto megafights, but when judah lost, i think his reputation has taken a hit ever since. i think he thought that fighting de la hoya would likely be enough to seal his reputation but the way he fought him didint really win anyone over. not to mention his glory from the ricky hatton knockout was short lived when he took a break and didint fight miguel cotto.

the problem with the oscar fight is that he thought people were dumb enough to think that a win would give him respect but everybody knew that it was all about money, thats it. oscar had lost to mosley twice, trinidad, hopkins and should have lost vs stvrm. so a close decision win vs oscar didnt prove anything legacy wise at all. just proved that he can get paid with oscar. and the hatton win was a good win but nothing special cuz hatton was an overrated european fighter. floyd duck the best competition at ww and deserves the **** he recieves for it.

[PAKYO]

With mayweather having supposedly ducked competition his whole career, handpicked his entire resume, runs in the ring, isnt exciting and etc.

Can i ask. And this is a serious question.

since the status quo has decided that mayweather is all of the things said above, what does pac have to gain in beating him? With the way floyd gets discussed on here, i would swear hes on the same level as a chavez jr. Seriously, surely if mayweather is all of the things you guys call him on a daily basis, then what does it say about people like shane and pac who want to fight him?
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If you yourself stand by the idea that mayweather is an overrated fraud, then how in the *** could he possibly be participating in arguably the greatest fight this sport might see? in order for that to happen, you need two ATG in their prime, SO surely, you can adhere to that? Becuase if not, you arent any better than mayweather himself.

Pac did not say he wants to fight him, Pac will fight anyone the fans ask and since floyd asked him to step up on the plate, so he did. Don't matter to him who he fights really.

Mosley on the other hand would just like to slap floyd's big mouth and get big money out of it.

Floyd's overrated because he keeps saying he's the best without even proving it, if he proves it then he is the best but until then he is a fraud.

[El Jesus]

come on , man. just because corrales beat them later on didn't mean floyd didn't need to.

they were #2 and #3 right after mayweather when he was fighting other guys at 130. not to mention they were both undefeated at the time and champions.

casa and freitas had been right below corrales and floyd at 130 since 1999. floyd had how many fights from 1999 'til 2002 when he left for 135.



don't knock spada either. he was top ranked at 135 for years and was a champion for 3-4 years by the time floyd moved to 135. hell by the time floyd moved to 135 spada had TWO belts. the wba and ibf.

In my opinion, i think floyd did enough at 130 to warrant a pass for not fighting freitas and casamayor because honestly, i dont see those two as being a threat to floyd at all, same with spadafora, while yes, you could say spadafora could have been in place of say, phillip ndou or one of his other mandatories, i do think his reign at 135 was credible enough to where not fighting him wasnt a huge deal. The problem starts though really at 140, this is the only division i can honestly say where the only champion willing to fight him was vivian harris, and we saw what happened to him on the gatti/mayweather undercard.

had he been able to solidify himself at 140 (which was probably his plan) hed likely be getting a pass for what happened at 147.

[El Jesus]

Pac did not say he wants to fight him, Pac will fight anyone the fans ask and since floyd asked him to step up on the plate, so he did. Don't matter to him who he fights really.

Mosley on the other hand would just like to slap floyd's big mouth and get big money out of it.

Floyd's overrated because he keeps saying he's the best without even proving it, if he proves it then he is the best but until then he is a fraud.

Pac will fight whoever his promoter and freddie roach feel will net them the most money, this idea that pac "fights who the fans want him too" is a whole lot of wishful thinking. no fighter does that unless his reputation will take a hit FINANCIALLY.

Mosley had his shot twice to slap floyds big mouth and only now, in desperation, does he care to fight him. I think in 2010, that fight might actually happen after 10 years of waiting.

Floyd isnt overrated at all, the only person who overrates floyd is himself.

Again, i ask you then, with floyd being an overrated fruad, what would that make pac for beating him? surely this win would be as big as say, oscar larios?

[Ray*]

come on , man. just because corrales beat them later on didn't mean floyd didn't need to.

they were #2 and #3 right after mayweather when he was fighting other guys at 130. not to mention they were both undefeated at the time and champions.

casa and freitas had been right below corrales and floyd at 130 since 1999. floyd had how many fights from 1999 'til 2002 when he left for 135.



don't knock spada either. he was top ranked at 135 for years and was a champion for 3-4 years by the time floyd moved to 135. hell by the time floyd moved to 135 spada had TWO belts. the wba and ibf.

You dont need to fight every single person in a division, Arum was is promoter up until the Judah fight so that should tell you something, Just like how pac doesnt need to fight everyone at 135 or 140 as long as you fight the top dog.

[Left Hook Tua]

You dont need to fight every single person in a division, Arum was is promoter up until the Judah fight so that should tell you something, Just like how pac doesnt need to fight everyone at 135 or 140 as long as you fight the top dog.

hence why i said i give him a pass since he fought corrales at 130 and castillo at 135.

[Ray*]

Pac will fight whoever his promoter and freddie roach feel will net them the most money, this idea that pac "fights who the fans want him too" is a whole lot of wishful thinking. no fighter does that unless his reputation will take a hit FINANCIALLY.

Mosley had his shot twice to slap floyds big mouth and only now, in desperation, does he care to fight him. I think in 2010, that fight might actually happen after 10 years of waiting.

Floyd isnt overrated at all, the only person who overrates floyd is himself.

Again, i ask you then, with floyd being an overrated fruad, what would that make pac for beating him? surely this win would be as big as say, oscar larios?

Only a dumb boxing fan would think Pac would fight whoever the fans want him to fight, If thats the case please Pac why didnt fight Guzman when some fans wanted it?? Why not Valero when some fans were calling for it??? Does that mean Pac is a ducker and a fraud according to some people???

[Left Hook Tua]

In my opinion, i think floyd did enough at 130 to warrant a pass for not fighting freitas and casamayor because honestly, i dont see those two as being a threat to floyd at all, same with spadafora, while yes, you could say spadafora could have been in place of say, phillip ndou or one of his other mandatories, i do think his reign at 135 was credible enough to where not fighting him wasnt a huge deal. The problem starts though really at 140, this is the only division i can honestly say where the only champion willing to fight him was vivian harris, and we saw what happened to him on the gatti/mayweather undercard.

had he been able to solidify himself at 140 (which was probably his plan) hed likely be getting a pass for what happened at 147.

140 wouldn't have been a problem if he had fought kostya.

i think kostya-mayweather was in talks but kostya went with hatton who was bigger money at the time. can't blame kostya since floyd wasn't a big draw yet and hatton was more money.

if kostya had a fair ref and had beaten hatton , floyd would probably have fought him. i think floyd could beat that version of kostya and his 140 resume wouldn't be questioned.

[Ray*]

hence why i said i give him a pass since he fought corrales at 130 and castillo at 135.

You said you gave him a pass then you said in another post "What about freitas, Casa, Spada"...

You know the thing is i can tear down all the resume of all the top 3 in the P4P guy and make it look just like Mayweather's resume even pac resume.