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  • pgolf
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    #21
    Originally posted by JMM_135_#1
    if this gives such an advantage why do most fighters cut significant amounts of weight for fights ?
    It depends on the fighter.

    Not counting the Margarito and Pac fights, Cotto's chin looks a lot better @ 147 than 140.

    Freddie Roach decided to bring Amir Kahn up in weight from 135 to 140 because he thinks its a better weight for him. He's probably hoping his chin would be better at the new weight since he will not be as dehydrated making weight.

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      #22
      Originally posted by pgolf
      It depends on the fighter.

      Not counting the Margarito and Pac fights, Cotto's chin looks a lot better @ 147 than 140.

      Freddie Roach decided to bring Amir Kahn up in weight from 135 to 140 because he thinks its a better weight for him. He's probably hoping his chin would be better at the new weight since he will not be as dehydrated making weight.
      slower fighters at 140 compared to 135 too.

      could help khan's defense , though he'll be giving up some of the size advantages he has at 135. though he's still plenty big for 140.

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      • rao007
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        #23
        Originally posted by Left Hook Tua
        he couldn't. that's what i'm telling you.

        he had 2 fights with morales at 130 in 2006.

        in 2007 , he had to wait for gbp and top rank to settle their disputes.

        when top rank and gbp settled out of court , that's when he finally got a chance to fight barrera and marquez rematches (which is what everyone wanted to see)
        Even if you account all that contract disputes, Eric Morales trilogy Pacquiao should've atleast fought 2 more fight times 2006/2007. To me that's simple. the only reason is because Pacquiao wanted to start a movie career and enter politics.

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        • rao007
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          #24
          Originally posted by Left Hook Tua
          pacquiao came in at 145 in his last fight at 130.

          he was 149 in the cotto fight.

          only 4 lbs. difference but i'm sure not having to cut 15 lbs. for the weigh in helps him a lot.

          The less your drain yourself the better. If you look at Pacquiao at 130 weigh-in against Marquez rematch--he looked gaunt. It's amazing how he looked, something similar to how Hatton looked like in weigh-ins recently at 140. Pacquiao walks around 153-155. He looked much better at 140.

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            #25
            till we see some proof, pac is not on roids

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            • tibbar
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              #26
              its simple if we are talking about why pacquiao didnt spent more time fighting in the lower division if theres a rule that a fighter should have a minumum number of fights before going up in higher division pac will comply and he never did what he had done perhaps in a longer time, theres no rule on the minimum numbers. its in the ability or capability of the fighter thats limits his ascension. if pacman lose to delahoya it would have been a limiting factor. but theyve succeeded and thereafter one after the other opportunities presented themselves so they grabbed it. it picked the imagination of those around pacquiao and the fans, the questions arises like can he make it passed diaz, they went for it, and he did. what about delahoya, bigger taller, pac was challenged, and was given the weight of 147 go up if you want, so he went for it, and whatdya know. talks circulated that delahoya was weight drained, but if thats the case its not the fault of the pacman he was challenged and accepted. end of that story, it was all delahoyas fault underestimating his foe. he trained and prepared for the fight but because of his ego what he brought to the ring, he came up short.
              then sinced there was a talk of a drained foe, they picked somebody who at first was conceived to be in his prime and considered undefeated at his own weight which is at 140 lower than 147 (but still bigger tho). so say roach lets go for it. thinking prolly that people will not accused them of the same weight drained sheet. pacman made it in astonishing fashion. seeing that it was so easy, they thought they can cover a lot more ground taking the higher notch so the rest is history.

              whats really obvious here is that the mystic/legend of pac is rooted in his eagerness to take everything to a higher notch, he is not only accepting challenges only from other fighters but he is also challenging himself. he is not afraid, he relish the fact that he is always competing, mind you, not only with others, but with himself. he always as if want to test his limits. he plays chess, among other sports, that says a lot of things about him. he has this competitive spirit comparable to few.

              so in a nutshell, like what once asked of a conqueror of mt. everest, " why did you climbed that mountain? and the answer is " because its there". and as for pacquiao... because its there, and he can, and he did.

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                #27
                Originally posted by JMM_135_#1
                if this gives such an advantage why do most fighters cut significant amounts of weight for fights ?
                Oh come on? You're not seriously asking that question right? But if you are, it's just too simple.. Because not everyone has the physical and mental capacity to do so.

                This is what makes Manny Pacquiao really special, we all know that he's probably a real legit 140 pounder according to his body frame and walk in size, it's his capacity to dehydrate himself which not too many people can do that made him successful 120 pounds up.

                He's been walking in fights at 145 even at the lightweight division. He's been rehydrating as a jr welterweight for years now. But is ok weight wise during weigh ins.

                For one, Floyd was a 106 pounder at age 16.
                Manny was a 106 pounder at age 16

                Floyd went as much as Jr Middle
                Manny's max so far is 144.

                Now tell me, why does it seem that it's just Pacquiao who's being questioned? And it's not as if Pacquiao's case is an isolated one.

                So many people went from really low weight classes to higgher weight classes, difference is, Pacquiao was winning world championship during these weights while others were fighting in the amateurs. Which, pacquiao didn't have the luxury to experience.
                Last edited by JulVal; 11-24-2009, 08:43 PM.

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                  #28
                  Originally posted by rao007
                  Even if you account all that contract disputes, Eric Morales trilogy Pacquiao should've atleast fought 2 more fight times 2006/2007. To me that's simple. the only reason is because Pacquiao wanted to start a movie career and enter politics.
                  pacquiao fought 5 fights in 2006-2007.

                  pacquiao usually only fights 5 times every 2 years.

                  1 year he fights 3 and 1 year he fights 2.

                  it's been like that since forever.

                  look at last year and this year. 2008 - 3 fights , 2009 - 2 fights.

                  look at the year when he beat barrera. 2003 - 3 fights , 2004 - 2 fights.

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                    #29
                    Originally posted by rao007
                    The less your drain yourself the better. If you look at Pacquiao at 130 weigh-in against Marquez rematch--he looked gaunt. It's amazing how he looked, something similar to how Hatton looked like in weigh-ins recently at 140. Pacquiao walks around 153-155. He looked much better at 140.
                    yup.

                    at this stage 140 is best for pacquiao.

                    he can probably still make 135 , but he'll have to cut a lot of weight.

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