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  • rao007
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    #11
    Originally posted by Bogler
    so you think after the hatton fight, bradley and peterson were as big and more challenging a fight than cotto and mayweather? gotta be kiddin me.
    I'm telling that's the only way to show it. whether they're easy or not--Pacquiao has to show dominance. Winning a fight in each division doesn't show that. Do you get what I mean? A win over Timothy/Peterson would validate Pacquiao's skills in that division. So I understand why they're some haters out there. Pacquiao is definitely top 20-30 on my list of ATGs. It's up to him where he is placed in the end.

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    • JMM_135_#1
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      there are alot of things that dont seem quite right with the way he has brought his power up, along with speed, more endurance it seems, cant remember a time were a fighter seems to have either kept or improved upon every physical gift they have

      he had to throw everything but the kitchen sink at david diaz before stopping him ... but yet can blitz his way through cotto like he was nothing ... it is strange

      but bit too easy to throw accusations out without proof... although i guess we thought the same about RJJ at one point right ?

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      • rao007
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        #13
        Originally posted by Left Hook Tua
        take the morales trilogy out? that's the fights that made him a star.

        he fought barrera 1 (#1 at 126) in 2003 , marquez 1 (#2 at 126) in 2004 , morales 1 , 2 , 3 (#2 at 130) in 2005 and 2006 , barrera 2 (#3 at 130) at 2007 , marquez 2 (#2 at 130) in 2008 , hatton (#1 at 140) and cotto (#2 at 147).

        you don't get a better run than that.

        name all the guys who had a better 5 year run.
        I'm talking about how active Pacquiao should've been in each division. Had he been more active in 2006-2007 at 130 division and jumped to 135 a lot sooner and taken out Casamayor/Diaz and gone to a more natural weight sooner and shown his power--Mayweather Sr would not have said anything about roids.

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          #14
          Originally posted by JMM_135_#1
          there are alot of things that dont seem quite right with the way he has brought his power up, along with speed, more endurance it seems, cant remember a time were a fighter seems to have either kept or improved upon every physical gift they have

          he had to throw everything but the kitchen sink at david diaz before stopping him ... but yet can blitz his way through cotto like he was nothing ... it is strange

          but bit too easy to throw accusations out without proof... although i guess we thought the same about RJJ at one point right ?
          From the pictures I've seen of Pacquiao at 130, 135, Pacquiao has been draining himself for a while now. I'll try to make a slideshow in the days ahead. 140 seems to be his true natural weight at the moment. Pacquiao just added adidtional muscle to compete with Cotto. His massive legs made it possible to do it.
          Last edited by rao007; 11-24-2009, 05:53 PM.

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            #15
            Originally posted by JMM_135_#1
            there are alot of things that dont seem quite right with the way he has brought his power up, along with speed, more endurance it seems, cant remember a time were a fighter seems to have either kept or improved upon every physical gift they have

            he had to throw everything but the kitchen sink at david diaz before stopping him ... but yet can blitz his way through cotto like he was nothing ... it is strange

            but bit too easy to throw accusations out without proof... although i guess we thought the same about RJJ at one point right ?
            1. pacquiao has slowed down a bit watching the pac-cotto fight

            2. he got a bit stronger because he's gained a little weight and he's not weight drained at 140-147.

            3. pacquiao was more devastating at 122-130. he use to throw one punch ko's with regularity in the lower weights. the only one he has koed with one punch is hatton above 130.

            4. david diaz is a tough sob. he use to fight at 140 and 147. he's only been stopped once aside from pacquiao and that was at junior welterweight by kendall holt.

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              #16
              Originally posted by rao007
              Pacquiao should've been more active in 2005-2007. Anyways, he has a perfect chance to show his dominance at 140 with the winner of Timothy Bradley vs. Lamont Peterson.

              Why would he fight B+ fighters at this stage of his career?

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                #17
                Originally posted by rao007
                From the pictures I've seen of Pacquiao at 130, 135, Pacquiao has been draining himself for a while now. I'll try to make a slideshow in the days ahead. 140 seems to be his true natural weight at the moment.
                pacquiao came in at 145 in his last fight at 130.

                he was 149 in the cotto fight.

                only 4 lbs. difference but i'm sure not having to cut 15 lbs. for the weigh in helps him a lot.

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                  #18
                  Originally posted by rao007
                  I'm talking about how active Pacquiao should've been in each division. Had he been more active in 2006-2007 at 130 division and jumped to 135 a lot sooner and taken out Casamayor/Diaz and gone to a more natural weight sooner and shown his power--Mayweather Sr would not have said anything about roids.
                  he couldn't. that's what i'm telling you.

                  he had 2 fights with morales at 130 in 2006.

                  in 2007 , he had to wait for gbp and top rank to settle their disputes.

                  when top rank and gbp settled out of court , that's when he finally got a chance to fight barrera and marquez rematches (which is what everyone wanted to see)

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                    #19
                    Originally posted by Left Hook Tua
                    pacquiao came in at 145 in his last fight at 130.

                    he was 149 in the cotto fight.

                    only 4 lbs. difference but i'm sure not having to cut 15 lbs. for the weigh in helps him a lot.
                    if this gives such an advantage why do most fighters cut significant amounts of weight for fights ?

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                      #20
                      Originally posted by JMM_135_#1
                      if this gives such an advantage why do most fighters cut significant amounts of weight for fights ?
                      it's a thin line you have to walk.

                      coming in bigger fight night is an advantage. cutting too much weight however is a disadvantage.

                      not cutting too much weight is an advantage. coming in smaller fight night is a disadvantage.

                      that's why all these guys have nutritionists and weight/conditioning coaches.

                      they have to find the perfect balance.

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