Mayweather-Pacquiao: Venues Battle For Hosting Rights

[SCtrojansbaby]

Yankees Stadium or bust.

[razor.thin]

80% of Floyd's fights has been at 130
He fought in the 1996 Olympics at 125
He fought in the fought as a amateur at 125,114, and 106.

So at best Floyd is a Blown up Junior Welterweight. AT BEST.
Just by looking at his career

you can repeat this as many times as you want, mayweather is a bigger ww than cotto.

[BabyFaceAssasin]

I wish they would put a great card together for this fight!! Make it equivalent to the Super Bowl! Have Juanma vs Celestino, Amir Khan vs Madaina, and maybe even a Pavlik vs Williams all on one card. It would be an extravaganza of epic proportions!!! The Super Bowl of boxing...and the first one ever headlined by Pacquiao vs Mayweather!!

[Horus]

you can repeat this as many times as you want, mayweather is a bigger ww than cotto.

I am posting this to cure your ignorance.

[Horus]

Why Pacquiao-Mayweather needs to be in Vegas

by Brickhaus on Nov 20, 2009

Lately, there's been a lot of noise that Bob Arum is putting out feelers to have a Pacquiao-Mayweather superfight in a location other than Las Vegas. He's already spoken to Jerry Jones about using the Dallas Cowboys' stadium. There have been some quieter rumors about looking at Wembley Stadium in the UK. But at the end of the day, the fight needs to be in Vegas, and it has nothing to do with the fight atmosphere.

Mayweather and Pacquiao are both in it for the money

Heck, Mayweather even goes by the name "Money" these days. Pacquaio often comes across as being a bit more altruistic, but he cares about the dollars as well. He threatened to put the kabosh on his fight with Ricky Hatton until Hatton agreed to a 50/50 split of UK revenues. And whoever promotes the fight, the promoter surely stands more to gain by having the fight in the most profitable location rather than the most significant location. To figure out where the fight would be held, you need to follow the green brick road.

You can charge exorbitant ticket prices in Vegas

One great thing about the Nevada State Athletic Commission is that they actually publish all of their live gates, so you know how much a fight has made just off the ticket sales. The all-time high live gate was Mayweather-De La Hoya, which brought in over $18 million in ticket sales. Mayweather-Hatton brought in over $10 million. Pacquiao-Hatton and Pacquiao-Cotto both brought in about $8 million. This means that Mayweather-De La Hoya was able to average over $1,000 per ticket. Even the lowest of these, Pacquiao-Hatton, averaged about $575 per ticket. Figure that a megafight of this magnitude would be somewhere in the middle, but probably closer to the record. Splitting the baby, which I think is conservative, they would be able to sell 17,000 tickets at about $800 a pop. That brings in $13.6 million in live gate alone. Nowhere else in the world is there enough money just waiting to be spent that you can average a ticket price that high.

The casinos are willing to pay...

For the biggest fights, casinos are willing to pay massive site fees in order to retain a fight. If you have a huge fight, tons of people (not just the people buying tickets) end up in the casino, and at the end of the day, the house wins more money than it spends from the extra gamblers. Mayweather-Hoya was rumored to have a site fee in the $15 - $20 million range, although no official number was released. Mayweather-Hatton had a $7 million site fee. Even a dud like Hopkins-Calzaghe got an $8 million site fee from Planet Hollywood. Conservatively, the site fee for a fight this big should be around $10 million, and it could be much larger than that. That brings revenues from holding the fight in Vegas up to around $23.6 million, and possibly as high as around $35 million.

...and others aren't

Once upon a time, there were mysterious benefactors who wanted to pay for the biggest fights in order to bring publicity to their countries. To host the Rumble in the Jungle, President Mobutu paid Don King a site fee of $10 million (about $35 million in 2009 dollars). I just can't think of any benefactor who would be willing to come up with that kind of coin to have the fight hosted in their hometown. Bob Arum's been talking for years about having a big fight in Dubai, but it would probably cost someone $30 million out of pocket to make it worth everyone's while to hold a fight over there. With budget crunches everywhere, it's unlikely that anyone would be willing to pay a huge site fee unless they pretty much know they'll be getting the money back, like a casino.

The fight needs to be indoors

This one's pretty self-explanatory. In the past, there have been major fights aired in temporary outdoor stadiums, but that just can't happen. First, the liability is too great these days to have a large temporary stadium. Second, if a fight gets rained out, everyone loses lots of money. It wasn't such a big deal when fights were being aired on network TV - if there's a rainout on World Wide of Sports, they can just put the fight on next week's edition, and everyone's pretty happy. But in a pay-per-view situation, a rescheduled fight would probably require months of remarketing to ensure that they do not lose massive sales. This precludes a lot of otherwise attractive venues from being feasible.

To make up the difference, you need a massive venue with high ticket prices

Even assuming that a fight at the MGM Grand would only generate $23.6 million, in order to make more money than in Vegas, you would need to sell out a 100,000 person stadium at an average price of $236 a ticket. A 65,000 seat stadium would need to sell at an average price of $363 a ticket. A 40,000 seat venue (i.e., a baseball stadium with a retractable roof) would need to sell at an average price of nearly $600 a ticket. And to achieve as much upside as Vegas' potential, you'd need to increase those average ticket prices by 50%. Outside of Vegas, where are you going to find enough people with that kind of money? In addition, when looking at these averages, you need to keep in mind that you can't charge nearly as much for a majority of the seats in the venue, simply because tens of thousands of people aren't going to pay $300 for nosebleed seats.

While holding the fight in a huge venue outside of Vegas is an intriguing idea, it's just not that feasible. Without some deep pocket guaranteeing a lot of cash on the side, it's unlikely that a fight outside of Vegas could generate more revenue than a fight in Vegas. And in this economy, I don't know if anyone's ego is that big.

[paylapz83]

70,000?!

Would that many people attend? O.o

i guess.....

[zeidrich]

You may be right. But just because people may have "more" to do in Vegas doesn't mean it's a better location. Look at the Super Bowl. It is held in a different city every year. One Super Bowl was held in Detroit of all places, just a few years ago. What are people going to do in Detroit in early February?

People will be traveling to wherever the venue is because they want to see the fight, not because they want to gamble, etc.

Besides, these owners want the fight in their stadium. They are willing to do what it takes to have it in their house. Ultimately, the promoters will choose the proper location.

That being said, it doesn't matter too much to me where the fight is since I will be watching it on TV.

agree, why do we care about the gamblers out there... this is a major event and it needs a major venue....

the one that will be recorded in history is the vid of the fight, and the people that will attend. the sound that we will hear in history is the chant of the people and not the chips in the casinos



the gamblers after the fight will not be recorded in history so why care so much for them.

[COACH WEBB]

gotta feeling this will not be in the Vegas. the more seats a venue holds the better...FOR REAL.

[LEFTYGUNZZ]

Too Add to this:
80% of Floyd's fights has been at 130
He fought in the 1996 Olympics at 125
He fought in the fought as a amateur at 125,114, and 106.

So at best Floyd is a Blown up Junior Welterweight. AT BEST.
Just by looking at his career

Listen Floyd has fought his few fights at WW he came into the JMM fight at 147lbs. he fought OScar he weighed 150lbs. Floyd is official at WW he is comfortable there and that is his natural fighting weight now. Manny is probably a natural 140lb or JWW. he came into the Oscar fight at 145lbs he weighed the 140 for the Hatton fight and he fought Cotto he weighed in at 142lbs. He now holds a WW title in the WBO belt so in my eyes anyone from 140-147 is open to fight him. I call him a WW too. Everyone looks back to figure out where fighters start but they don't realize it is where they end up. JMM fighting at 147 in his first fight would be called a blown up LW or JWW especially when he never fought at or above 136 before that. To me PAC and Floyd are both legitimate WW's right now....Lefty

[fightingfigs]

gotta feeling this will not be in the Vegas. the more seats a venue holds the better...FOR REAL.

AFter my experience in Vegas for the Pacquiao vs Cotto fight, I dont think it should be anywhere else cause Vegas in amazing