80 greatest fighters of the last 80 years

[Komandos]

De La Hoya

[oldgringo]

Right. But I think he was overrated as hell dude. Extremely. Yes he had a good defense, but he lacked defining wins in the ring. Azumah Nelson and Wilfredo Rivera were the only two decent fighters he beat legitimately. Buddy McGirt was a nobody. JCC was robbed in their fight.

I also think JCC was twice the fighter he ever was. That list seems to think otherwise. I also think he recieved so many gift decisions, it was hurtful to his career. People may see differently, I just could not stand him as a fighter.

Sorry dude...you're just being rediculous. JCC was robbed? HAHA...thats ****ing bush league man. Prime Whitaker beats ANY form of Chavez...I've already had this argument with Ultimate, so I'm not going to go back through it with you.

You obviously hate him...just going by statements like, "yes he had a 'good' defense" and "Buddy McGirt was a nobody".

I don't think he deserves a top ten spot either, but he's def a top 20 guy any way you slice it. Almost unhittable in his prime and the only guy I could see beating him at their respectable bests at 135 is Duran. Wins over Hurtado, Rivera, Pineda, Nelson, McGirt, Vasquez, Ramirez, that sickening "draw" with Chavez, and a close fight with DLH in which many thought he won...3 div champ and arguably the BEST defensive fighter ever.

[AintGottaClue]

I never stated that Charles was my top 10 heavywieghts of all-time. As a heavyweight, those fighters you've names have Charles. They were greater heavyweights. But overall, they're nothing compared to Ezzard.

Charles was not only a top 15 heavyweight of all-time, but he's almost unanimously regarded as the greatest lt. heavyweight of all-time. His list of opponents is simply sick: Charlie Burley, Joey Maxim, Jimmy Bivins, Lloyd Marshall, and, of course, a prime Archie Moore 3x (the last one by knockout). Then he moves up to heavyweight and beats some damn good competition as well. When Jones went up to heavyweight, people were already labeling him the greatest of all-time. Big whoop, it was once against Ruiz. Charles also started around 160, yet he fought consistently better opposition on the way up.

Charles is around #10 all-time, on my list.

who u got at light heavy then charles or conn?

[BadMagick]

At least they got dat one right....

I sure hope you're joking. Almost the whole world agrees that De La Hoya beat Trinidad. Trinidad is not that good, and he doesn't deserve the spot he's in.

Did they come out with a new version of the list? In the one i have (from 2002), Roy Jones is around 30-40. 16 is way, way too high.

Roy Jones, in his prime, was one of the best fighters ever. His spot is earned. 16 isn't a bad spot for him.

[Komandos]

yES rOJ IS THE BEST

[cple]

who u got at light heavy then charles or conn?

That's a little tough, because of the limited footage of both at 175. In fact, i don't think there are any tapes of Charles below heavyweight. However, from what i've read and heard, Charles was as good as it gets at 175. From nearly all accounts, Ezzard was clearly better at 175 than the heavyweight version. That's scary. His boxing ability, technique, and form were always excellent, but eye-witnesses say his handspeed at lt. heavyweight was phenomenal. And he had legit one-punch knockout power, especially before his defeat of Sam Bouradi, who died after being KOed. Some believe Charles held back a little, never using the full force of his punches, after the tragedy. Charles was a complete fighter.

I can only imagine one fighter ever beating Ezzard at 175--Sam Langford, who was an absolute freak. If i had to make a pick, i'd say: Charles W15 Conn.

On a side note, i don't think simply because Fighter A beat Fighter B, it automatically means Fighter A was greater. For sure, it's definately part of the equation, but it's not the end all of ranking a fighter. To me greatness is determined by level of opposition, performance, and accomplishments, with an emphasis on level of opposition.

[cple]

Roy Jones, in his prime, was one of the best fighters ever. His spot is earned. 16 isn't a bad spot for him.

Without a doubt Roy Jones was one of the best fighters ever in his prime. But he earned his spot at 16? Nope. Not in my eyes. His opposition simply pales in comparison to so many other fighters. I can accept him being in the top 25-30. But not at 16.

[oldgringo]

That's a little tough, because of the limited footage of both at 175. In fact, i don't think there are any tapes of Charles below heavyweight. However, from what i've read and heard, Charles was as good as it gets at 175. From nearly all accounts, Ezzard was clearly better at 175 than the heavyweight version. That's scary. His boxing ability, technique, and form were always excellent, but eye-witnesses say his handspeed at lt. heavyweight was phenomenal. And he had legit one-punch knockout power, especially before his defeat of Sam Bouradi, who died after being KOed. Some believe Charles held back a little, never using the full force of his punches, after the tragedy. Charles was a complete fighter.

I can only imagine one fighter ever beating Ezzard at 175--Sam Langford, who was an absolute freak. If i had to make a pick, i'd say: Charles W15 Conn.

On a side note, i don't think simply because Fighter A beat Fighter B, it automatically means Fighter A was greater. For sure, it's definately part of the equation, but it's not the end all of ranking a fighter. To me greatness is determined by level of opposition, performance, and accomplishments, with an emphasis on level of opposition.

My question is wheres Langford?> His career wrapped up in 25' didnt it?

[tysonortiz]

How is jones not top 10 is my question?

[THRILLAinmanila]

In 2004 The Ring Magazine published a list of the 80 best fighters of the last 80 Years, as chosen by its writers:

1-Sugar Ray Robinson
2-Henry Armstrong
3-Muhammad Ali
4-Joe Louis
5-Roberto Duran
6-Willie Pep
7-Harry Greb
8-Benny Leonard
9-Sugar Ray Leonard
10-Pernell Whitaker
11-Carlos Monzon
12-Rocky Marciano
13-Ezzard Charles
14-Archie Moore
15-Sandy Saddler
16-Roy Jones Jr
17-Jack Dempsey
18-Marvin Hagler
19-Julio Cesar Chavez
20-Eder Jofre
21-Alexis Arguello
22-Barney Ross
23-Evander Holyfield
24-Ike Williams
25-Salvador Sanchez
26-George Foreman
27-Kid Gavilian
28-Larry Holmes
29-Mickey Walker
30-Ruben Olivares
31-Gene Tunney
32-**** Tiger
33-Fighting Harada
34-Emile Griffith
35-Tony Canzoneri
36-Aaron Pryor
37-Pascual Perez
38-Miguel Canto
39-Manuel Ortiz
40-Charley Burley
41-Carmen Basilio
42-Michael Spinks
43-Joe Frazier
44-Khaosai Galaxy
45-Tiger Flowers
46-Panama Al Brown
47-Kid Chocolate
48-Joe Brown
49-Tommy Loughran
50-Bernard Hopkins
51-Felix Trinidad
52-Jake LaMotta
53-Lennox Lewis
54-Wilfredo Gomez
55-Bob Foster
56-Jose Napoles
57-Billy Conn
58-Jimmy McLarnin
59-Pancho Villa
60-Carlos Ortiz
61-Bob Montgomery
62-Freddie Miller
63-Benny Lynch
64-Beau Jack
65-Azumah Nelson
66-Eusebio Pedroza
67-Thomas Hearns
68-Wilfred Benitez
69-Antonio Cervantes
70-Ricardo Lopez
71-Sonny Liston
72-Mike Tyson
73-Vicente Saldivar
74-Gene Fullmer
75-Oscar De La Hoya
76-Carlos Zarate
77-Marcel Cerdan
78-Flash Elorde
79-Mike McCallum
80-Harold Johnson

PINOY guyss up there:

#59 Pancho Villa
#78 Flash Elorde