If a boxer is excessively clinching, should the ref deduct points and or Dq?

[PittyPat]

Bruno's holding against Tyson in their rematch was pretty lame, too. Had Tyson not stopped him, the ref definitely should've DQ'ed Bruno.

[Degsy]

Done properly and as the finsihing move to an offensive flurry like ALI and its perfectly acceptable, Akinwande on the other hand had no intention of engaging and just eanted to leave the event with his head still attached to his shoulders

[dyu]

Bottom line if a fighter doesnt want to be clinched they wont let themselves be clinched repeatedly. The same way it takes skill in order to wrap a man up, it takes skill to not let such a thing happen. Reaching out to clinch a man is putting yourself in harm's way as you are vulnerable to being hit.

Right on point!

[DocHolliday]

Right on point!

it also takes energy, and that's the problem most people don't realize. When a guy's trying to grab you it takes a lot more energy to fight the person off than people understand. You may be in shape to box for 12 rounds but mix in some clinches where a guy leans on you and you try n shed him or push him off and you're not neccessarily ready for those 12 anymore.

And at the end of the day grabbing/holding is against the rules in boxing. I completely understand a guy doin it when he's hurt or mixing in clinches at the end of combos so the guy can't get off, but it's still against the rules. You let it go a few times, issue some warnings, points, and then after warning yes you do DQ them.if someone been warned and keeps disobeying the rules you have to DQ them, it's the only way the reff's can maintain control over fights of they establish they won't tolerate the rules being broken.

[rskumm21]

They do this already. Depends on the ref.

[Bhopreign]

it also takes energy, and that's the problem most people don't realize. When a guy's trying to grab you it takes a lot more energy to fight the person off than people understand. You may be in shape to box for 12 rounds but mix in some clinches where a guy leans on you and you try n shed him or push him off and you're not neccessarily ready for those 12 anymore.

And at the end of the day grabbing/holding is against the rules in boxing. I completely understand a guy doin it when he's hurt or mixing in clinches at the end of combos so the guy can't get off, but it's still against the rules. You let it go a few times, issue some warnings, points, and then after warning yes you do DQ them.if someone been warned and keeps disobeying the rules you have to DQ them, it's the only way the reff's can maintain control over fights of they establish they won't tolerate the rules being broken.

Perhaps Shane should have been disqualified before he knocked out Margarito.

[DocHolliday]

Perhaps Shane should have been disqualified before he knocked out Margarito.

Been a while since I watched that particular fight but if the shoe fits, yeah ****it. Technically Ali shouldve been DQed almost every fight. Clinching, open hands in the face, and guiding/pushing the head. Shane didn't need to do it and Ali didn't either, they were skilled enough. Same with BHop. But it's not about whether winning or losing in the fight, if you're breaking the rules you need to be warned, points deducted, and then DQed if it continues. They've let that **** go on top long in boxing and it's hurting the sport. Someone says "I don't like boxing" and I ask "why" and more than 75% of the time people say "the guys just grab and hold most fights" and it's true. It happened a lot back in the day but guys would fight out a lot more, granted the reff's allowed more fighting out of clinches than they do now.

[Bhopreign]

Someone says "I don't like boxing" and I ask "why" and more than 75% of the time people say "the guys just grab and hold most fights" and it's true.

Ive never heard that when someone said they didnt like boxing, Ive heard it dealing with MMA though. Mostly those Ive run across who dont like boxing its because basically they want to see nonstop action every time out. I look at it like a foul in basketball or pass interference in football, its the ref's discretion if he wants to make a judgement about it, but youre right I do think under rules its illegal, it seems to be one of those agreed upon things, I think if a guy knows he can be DQ'ed, most times he wont continue to clinch, although some have been DQ'ed before.

[zeitgeist]

There was this Tuesday Night boxing on Eurosport that I watched a few weeks back where they showed 2 D class American heavies, and one of them reached out and clinched everytime the other guy tried to land a punch or two. Probably a fight from the early 2000s.

I actually dozed off, and I didn't have a beer that night too.

For me excessively clinching = cheating. In the end the guy who was clinching won by knock out after, what, 8 rounds of hugging and immobilizing the other guy. Apparently getting out of a clinch can be very exhausting...the ref should have stopped the fight and disqualify the guy who won, and deemed him unwilling to actually fight.

[Bhopreign]

There was this Tuesday Night boxing on Eurosport that I watched a few weeks back where they showed 2 D class American heavies, and one of them reached out and clinched everytime the other guy tried to land a punch or two. Probably a fight from the early 2000s.

I actually dozed off, and I didn't have a beer that night too.

For me excessively clinching = cheating. In the end the guy who was clinching won by knock out after, what, 8 rounds of hugging and immobilizing the other guy. Apparently getting out of a clinch can be very exhausting...the ref should have stopped the fight and disqualify the guy who won, and deemed him unwilling to actually fight.

Brilliant?