Story about Floyd Sr not wanting his son to fight southpaws? (old story)

[El Jesus]

I agree it didn't have anything to do with Judah's stamina really. But he has been known to run out of ideas, not knowing how to adapt. Yoel Judah in his corner is just about useless.

He had the talent to give Mayweather a great fight but not the mentality.

truthfully when he won the undisputed WW Crown, i honestly do not remember anyone continuing the talk about him fading, either that or i didint pay attention. When he fought spinks to that draw it was 12 rounds, the KO was well over 4 rounds, his desicion loss to baldomir and floyd were 12 rounds. I never really bought the idea of him just simply fading to be honest.

[Jiddu Dali]

truthfully when he won the undisputed WW Crown, i honestly do not remember anyone continuing the talk about him fading, either that or i didint pay attention. When he fought spinks to that draw it was 12 rounds, the KO was well over 4 rounds, his desicion loss to baldomir and floyd were 12 rounds. I never really bought the idea of him just simply fading to be honest.

the Spinks KO was 9 rds.

People only said he was a front runner because Mayweather said it...lol

Zab could go 12..... TheGreatA who mentioned he "ran out of ideas" was on point...

[TheGreatA]

Zab wasnt as mentally tough as Mayweather yes....I agree

Zab has over 40 Pro fights, began boxing at the age of six and compiled an amateur record of 110–5. He was a two-time US national champion and three-time New York Golden Gloves champion. He also won the 1996 PAL national championship.

wasnt mentally tough?...no stamina? front runner?

Man Mayweather is mentally tougher than every fighter he fights. The fact is that Judah thought he would be faster and stronger and he wasnt.

Mayweather didnt have trouble with Zab the first 4 rounds, he was figuring out what Zab brought to the fight. Once he realized all he had was a left hand then Mayweather opened up and let his hands go......

Why wasnt Zab Judah so FAST once Mayweather decided to let his hands go?......I WONDER WHY

I just don't see what you're seeing. Mayweather did let his hands go in the early rounds and he was hit flush unlike in most of his other professional bouts. He was having trouble. Have you ever seen anyone land lead left hands on Mayweather? Judah did.

Mayweather has great reflexes, only a fighter with great handspeed can land on him without actually setting the punches up.

Mayweather himself decribed Judah as a frontrunner. When he starts having trouble, he doesn't know how to adapt. We have seen this in his performances against Baldomir, Mayweather, Cotto and Clottey.

Floyd began taking Judah apart to the body, and as he himself described, Judah gassed out and was no longer a threat. Simple as that.

I agree he is no Judah or Corley, Pac is easier to hit then they are. Judah & Corley IMO are the same fighter...just slick, counter punching southpaws.....Manny is NOT a counter punching southpaw, and he throws a lot of punches with allow for openings to counter.......Maywweather wont have to chase Pac down and watch for his counter's....Manny will come to him and attempt to turn the fight into a slug fest which IMO wont work in his favor...........I could be wrong

Neither Judah or Corley are that good defensively in my opinion. Pacquiao has worked on his defense since the Marquez fights and is now quite adept at slipping punches, not on the level of Mayweather, but certainly on the level of Judah and Corley.

Pacquiao has also shown improvement in the counter punching department in his last couple of fights. Pacquiao did in one round what Mayweather attempted for 8 rounds against Hatton, he caught the leaping Hatton with the perfect shot and hurt him badly.

Cotto was countered mid-flurry and taken out of the fight.

Obviously he will have major trouble countering the superior counter puncher in Floyd Mayweather but I'd rather see that fight before counting Pacquiao out. He has abilities that should make it difficult for Mayweather.

[DLT]

Let me break all this down for you guys who dont know what is going on. 1st off the Sanders fight was only Floyd's 2nd pro fight. Thats when his dad called from prison and said no more Southpaws. He then fought Chop and got hit alot early but he threw caution totally to the wind in that fight because he didnt beleive that Chop could hurt him at all. Still, Chop doesnt really land much at all after round 4 and wins 1 round at the most the entire fight. People like to take credit away from Floyd against Zab and say that he faded but he didnt. Floyd just figured him out. You act like a slick super fast Southpaw in his prime wont take any getting use to. Zab won the 1st, Floyd won the 2nd, Zab won 3 and 4. After that he doesnt even come close to winning another round all fight. Thats it. He won 3 rounds and all them were at the very begining. Floyd figured him out after that and that was all she wrote. I dont know where people got that Mitchell hit him. Mitchell did nothing. H never landed on Floyd. Floyd also walked all 3 of those guys down, just like I keep telling everyone he will do to Pac.

People who think that Pac will do this & that just because he's better than those guys are crazy. 1st off Floyd walked all those guys down but he did it in a cautious way against Zab because he respected his power. Thats how Floyd will fight Pac. He didnt respect Chop or Mitchell so he went with no regard. Someone also asked why Floyd is more aggressive against Southpaws. We dont know the true answer to that. You could easily say that he was just more aggressive anyways at that point of his career. Before Chop, he let his hands go a ton against N'Dou and knocked him out early. After Chop he let his hands go a ton against Bruseles and knocked him out early. Then he fought Gatti and knocked him out early. After Zab he fought Baldy who outweighed him by 20 pounds in the ring and even more than that naturaly. Thats when his style seemed to change. He went from Baldy right to Oscar at 154 after Oscar just decapitated Mayorga. The size of those guys made him reluctant and change his style.

I also hear people talking about the shoulder roll doesnt work that welll against Southpaws and thats true because the straight left comes right down the pipe. However, his high guard D works great. You can still penetrate it some but for the most part he can block every shot. You cant look at the shots Zab landed early because again, that was early. People act like Floyd wont adjust and figure you out. Even JMM gets lit up early by Pac every time but once he adjusts to all the Southpaw stuff then he does better. The other side of that is Offense and thats what people are sleeping on. Because he has the high guard up, Floyd is much quicker to the target because his hands are already in front of his face, just like Winky. You lose alot of power because everything is short and you dont get leverage but its quick and adds up. I think he will light Pac up like that and snap his head back alot.

As for Pac being better than Judah, Mitchell, and Corley. Thats obvious but that doesnt mean that they dont present more problems. One thing that people are overlooking is that they are all fast just like Pac but what seperates them is that the other 3 are way more techniqaly sound. They are all slick fighters with pure boxing skill and great technique. None of those guys are sloppy like Pac. So even though he's better, I think Floyd will find it much easier to block his O than theres because he's not throwing skillful punches. Look at those sharp lazors Zab was firing back off the counter. Pac cant do that.

[marsman]

Manny Pacquaio isn't as good as Judah Defensively he's better than Judah offensively. Judah doesn't get hit that much, he is very hard to hit, harder to hit than Manny, he just doesn't have a good chin and isn't as focused. Those are his problems and the reasons to his losses.He nearly knocked Cotto out in the first round and continuously rocked him through out the fight. Yoel begged him to let his hands go, and he never listened. Manny beat Cotto because Manny let his hands go. Cotto couldn't see the punches coming.

When Floyd fought Judah, he adjusted and took him apart. FLoyd has grown as a fighter and is way better against Southpaws then he was in the corley fight. He took Sharmba Mitchell and Zab apart. He's also a way better boxer than Marquez.

Manny has alright defense and superb offense and KO power.

So IMO it's either Pacquaio K.O's Mayweather for the win or Mayweather will win a shut out to Unanimous Decision. No way he comes in doing the shoulder roll, he's gonna come in fighting how he fought Zab Judah.

[TheGreatA]

Manny Pacquaio isn't as good as Judah Defensively he's better than Judah offensively. Judah doesn't get hit that much, he is very hard to hit, harder to hit than Manny, he just doesn't have a good chin and isn't as focused. Those are his problems and the reasons to his losses.He nearly knocked Cotto out in the first round and continuously rocked him through out the fight.

When Floyd fought Judah, he adjusted and took him apart. FLoyd has grown as a fighter and is way better against Southpaws then he was in the corley fight. He took Sharmba Mitchell and Zab apart. He's also a way better boxer than Marquez.

Manny has alright defense and superb offense and KO power.

So IMO it's either Pacquaio K.O's Mayweather for the win or Mayweather will win a shut out to Unanimous Decision. No way he comes in doing the shoulder roll, he's gonna come in fighting how he fought Zab Judah.

I don't think Judah is that hard to hit to be honest. I'd like to know if there are any good defensive performances of his that I should watch because I haven't been impressed so far and I have seen the majority of his fights.

[marsman]

I don't think Judah is that hard to hit to be honest. I'd like to know if there are any good defensive performances of his that I should watch because I haven't been impressed so far and I have seen the majority of his fights.

Well I don't know what to tell you, you judt don't like judah. Judah has amazing head movement, he uses the shoulder roll as well, and is nice when he gets on his feet. People compared him to Pernell whitaker, not cause of his punching power but his D. So whatever bruh.

[TheGreatA]

Well I don't know what to tell you, you judt don't like judah. Judah has amazing head movement, he uses the shoulder roll as well, and is nice when he gets on his feet. People compared him to Pernell whitaker, not cause of his punching power but his D. So whatever bruh.

The problem is I see him get hit a ton in most of his fights. So it's not effective defense even if it may be flashy-looking.

There's no way a guy like Baldomir should be able to get to you as much as he did against Judah if you have great defense.

[Doctor_Tenma]

The problem is I see him get hit a ton in most of his fights. So it's not effective defense even if it may be flashy-looking.

There's no way a guy like Baldomir should be able to get to you as much as he did against Judah if you have great defense.

Doesn't use his foot work as much as he should. There is a major difference between the way Zab Judah looked against Ward, Chop Chop as oppose to Zab vs. Mayweather, Clottey, Cotto. He moved alot more against Ward and Corley.

[TheGreatA]

Doesn't use his foot work as much as he should. There is a major difference between the way Zab Judah looked against Ward, Chop Chop as oppose to Zab vs. Mayweather, Clottey, Cotto. He moved alot more against Ward and Corley.

I think one would also have to point out the difference in class between Mayweather, Clottey, Cotto and Micky Ward & Chop Chop Corley.