Bull**** removed, styles make fights and Floyd's style is the one to beat Pac

[Main Event]

How the hell do you know what Floyd plans to do? Did you expect Cotto to be cowering in the corner with a face like a football when he tasted MP's power? Or Oscar? Or Hatton to be almost killed within 6 minutes?

This is boxing man, a single punch can change everything.

Cotto has never had good D you should know that...I didnt expect it to be the beatdown that it was but i did expect Manny too hit him enough to win the fight.....You know Oscar was finished stop....And Hatton is just target practice and literally runs into punches..

I know 1 shot can change everything but it seems like every fighter says that until they actually get in the ring with Floyd

[w2nhbky2j]

My Opinion if Pacquiao vs. Mayweather does indeed Happen.

I hear a lot of you guys say that Pacquiao got outboxed by Morales and Marquez. You guys are forgetting that the Pacquiao that faced both isn't the same Pacquiao today. Pacquiao barely used his footwork in the past. He didn't have as much upper body movement as today. He also didn't have his right hand at that time. He started to use and improved it starting in the Diaz fight. You guys are also forgetting that you need speed to beat Mayweather and we know Pacquiao will be his fastest opponent; don't even say that Judah has the same speed as Pacquiao; look what Cotto did to Judah, neutralized his speed with his timing. Look what Cotto said after his fight with Pacquiao, he couldn't see where the punches were coming from because of the speed and the weird angles. You need to be aggressive to beat Mayweather. I heard people say, oh! Mayweather schooled Marquez, so he's gonna do the same thing to Pacquiao. (I won't even put the 17 pounds heavier BS because I don't think it really mattered in that fight anyway because Mayweather just simply outboxed him, he didn't impose his size on Marquez.) There's no way in hell Mayweather schools Pacquiao the way he did Marquez. Marquez is not even an aggressive fighter to begin with and he's way slower compared to Pacquiao. Marquez is a boxer and when you put 2 boxer inside the ring, one of them is supposed to school the other one. (I even had Barrera winning against Marquez in their fight if not for the referee making the ****** mistake of calling it a slip instead of a knockdown for Barrera.) IMO, a washed up Barrera even outboxed Marquez in their fight and in a lot of people's opinion, NO ONE CAN OUTBOX FLOYD MAYWEATHER!! NO ONE!! There's no way in hell he KO's Pacquiao though. Pacquiao took Cotto's hardest punches and just walked through them like nothing. In Mayweather's fight with Judah, Judah won the first four rounds of the fight, heck he even dropped him, and we know Judah don't even have the stamina to compete after the first half of the fight. Heck even Hatton won some rounds with his ****** game plan against Mayweather.

Mayweather, he is a million times better than Marquez when it comes to defense and counter punching and speed. He wont be dangerous for Pacquiao because he just pot shots and we know Mayweather doesn't hit harder than Cotto. But he is pretty challenging when it comes to winning a fight. He will be the slickest and most accurate opponent Pacquiao has and will ever face.

The Ultimate Offensive fighter vs. The Ultimate Defensive fighter

I don't know who's gonna win but there's only 3 scenarios I can see happening in this fight. 1) Mayweather wins by decision (Close decision). 2) Pacquiao wins by decision (Close Decision). 3) Pacquiao wins by KO/TKO.

If the fight does end on a decision, I favor Mayweather more to win. If the fight ends with a KO/TKO, I favor Pacquiao to win since he throws a lot of punches, fast flurries, and hits like a brick. I just can't see Mayweather knocking Pacquiao out.

[Jiddu Dali]

As a matter of fact, Floyd's style has been specifically crafted, molded to beat ANY style. Lets face it, Floyd doesn't give a **** about casual fans. He doesn't give a **** what is good for the sport. He's just trying to cash out as much as he can. To him, this is a business and thats it. "Legacy don't pay the bills".

To avoid an "L" on his record, he'll take the least risks possible. He doesn't care how boring the win would be. He would have already suckered casual fans into buying the fight. The money is would already be there. Regardless, Cotto pretty much showed how you can be effective against Pacquiao besides just counterpunching. Its exactly what I've been saying prior to the fight. You have to jab and be first.

Prior to the Cotto/Pacquiao fight, I asked you to ask yourselves, is Cotto a better technician than Marquez? Is he a better counterpuncher? Manny Cotto fans FOOLISHLY believed Cotto was an all around better fighter than Marquez. But obviously, you saw that he wasn't. Cotto was extremely fast, but didn't have the tools to put his attributes together. He didn't have the experience or ring intelligence to utilize his hand speed and timing.

But you know who does. Floyd "I'm back for legacy, but then again Legacy don't pay the bills, especially if legacy is on steroids, unless legacy's name is Manny Pacquiao" Mayweather.

Floyd has the speed to stick the jab, the intelligence to set up quick right hands and counter punching ability to make Pacquiao cautious. The only true way I can see Pacquiao winning this fight is by becoming very physical with Floyd. Finding a way to get on the inside and rough him up because lingering on the outside would make him a target for Floyd's right hand. Unlike Hatton, Pacquiao has quick enough hands to throw combinations from a close distance, but he would run risk of getting pot shotted. He just may have the beard to withstand it though. He also has the stamina and agility to keep throwing from angles. I think this is a fight were would would see floyd get hit the most and possibly be hurt.

But, regardless, Floyd's style is just wrong for Pacquiao. But, then again, Pacquiao is not the same fighter in every fight. He just gets better.

Anyway, I'm not just talking out of my ass..

Basically what I was thinking....good thread!!

[Jiddu Dali]

If the fight does end on a decision, I favor Mayweather more to win. If the fight ends with a KO/TKO, I favor Pacquiao to win since he throws a lot of punches, fast flurries, and hits like a brick. I just can't see Mayweather knocking Pacquiao out.

I think this is actually the reason I see Pacquiao getting knocked out....Pac's entire plan is to attack which IMO plays into Mayweather's game plan. Pac is not a pressure fighter and he will not be pressuring the bigger Mayweather, people always say that and it never happens. But the guy Pac(k)'s a punch and is athletic however...

Before Pac can even get the opportunity to THROW ALOT OF PUNCHES he will need to get inside a 2 inch taller man with a 6 inch reach advantage. I see Pacquiao getting frustrated and his punch count dropping significantly. When Pac is able to throw punches I see Mayweather slipping alot of the shots. Pac is NOT a 1 punch KO artist...Hatton had no chin to begin with ...but that was a hell of a KO....lol.....But Pac is able to land all of those punches vs his most recent opposition because none of them were fast and skilled enough to counter him & had zero defense at all, Marquez was the closest thing to showing the BLUEPRINT on how to nullify Pacquiao's speed. None of them boxed him from a distance to nullify his speed and power. I believe Mayweather can do so.

[Pecs]

Mayweather will be the most skillful opponent for Manny IF they ever fight. I will be rooting for Manny, but I know it will be a tough fight.

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Added another portion to the original post..

How can Pacquiao be effective against Floyd?

As I alluded to in the content above, Floyd's fight plan consist of doing as much as possible defensively and doing just enough offensively to win a fight. Well, thats been the fight plan against dangerous opponents and Pacquiao is a dangerous opponent.

The key for Floyd is to make Pacquiao as hesitant as possible and Floyd does that by countering his opponents and striking unexpectedly with a right lead. When Floyd is in "the zone", he'll lean forward face first with his hands down his side. This is when he knows he has his opponent scared to throw a punch, scared to be aggressive and he capitalizes with potshots scoring his points.Now, would Pacquiao fall victim to this?

I believe he CAN. Why? We saw some of this in both Marquez fights. In the rounds Marquez clearly would dominate, he was able to because of his timing and counter punching. During these periods, Pac would just be bouncing and fainting, hesitant to throw, but when he did Marquez would read it a mile away and would counter or Marquez would take advantage of Pac's inactivity and strike first with combinations. This is how and when Floyd would be scoring.

So back the question, how can Pacquiao be effective against Floyd?

By doing what he did to break Marquez's rhythm. Get brave, come to terms with the fact that he WILL be tagged and begin his unpredictable barrage of punches. What Pac can do that DLH, Hatton and Marquez didn't do was throw more than 2-3 punches on a consistant basis. We saw DLH throw these wack ass body shots when Floyd was against the ropes. But DLH was smothering himself throwing arm punches. Hatton would just run at Floyd and either he or Floyd would start hugging. Marquez tried throwing, but he was just too slow swiping at empty air and he just became hesitant and limited his offensive output.

Pac has to continue his offense, not allow himself to fall into that mental trap that Floyd can set. He needs to keep Floyd on the defensive all night. Shoot 2 punches from one angle, throw 3 more from another angle, dip and get out. Floyd cannot be completely defensive if it continues that way, he'll have to open up and become more offensive minded or he WILL lose because he is too defensive and not offensive enough to counter Pac's aggression. Make Mayweather work.

If Pac is throwing 3-4 punch combos, Floyd is blocking 3 of them, but only comes back with a pot shot, Pac is going to score rounds because he's dictating it. If Floyd DOES open up, Pac's hands are fast enough to slip more punches in. But the key is not to linger long enough for Floyd to catch him. 1,2,3,4 and dip out and Floyd WILL tag him. If Pac can manage not being stunned, he will be very successful through out the fight, but...

Can Floyd hurt/stunn Pac?

"Cotto threw everything at Pac and didn't hurt him"

True, but Cotto didn't land anything Pac didn't see coming. We all know its the shots you dont see coming that put the sandman to work. Marquez and Larios stunned him with shots Pac just didn't see. Floyd very well has the ability to create this kind of situation because of his counter punching and fast hands. Pacquiao just has to be prepared for this which is obviously is very hard to do.

So to summarize, Pac must keep Floyd in a defensive state constantly through out the fight. He cannot win by being cautious and hesitant trying to pick his shots. That's Floyd's game and he's pretty damn good at it. The more defensive Floyd gets, the less offensive he becomes and Pacquiao needs to take advantage of that.

[El Castigador]

Added another portion to the original post..

"Floyd doesnt care whats good for the sport"

What does this mean?...Its not Floyds job to get hit.

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So to summarize, Pac must keep Floyd in a defensive state constantly through out the fight. He cannot win by being cautious and hesitant trying to pick his shots. That's Floyd's game and he's pretty damn good at it. The more defensive Floyd gets, the less offensive he becomes and Pacquiao needs to take advantage of that.

Anyway, I'm not just talking out of my ass..

Great post. I'm glad to see there are others like me out there. Even though I don't like Floyd, I'm picking him to win.

Some people get blinded by their preference. It's happened to me, so I know.

A thinking man knows Floyd is the favorite and Pac will need to fight the perfect fight.

[pbftxrs316]

here's the thing you all need to realize about floyd---he is a very methodical fighter--so th eway he's been fighing these last 3 years is no shock tom---if he has slowed down to potshots because his speed has diminished at 147 and when he fught at 154, him fighting the way he has been fighting lately is nothing more than him fighting methocally intelligent and adds to his brilliant mindset---pac is in for a long night--floyd is a thinking fighter--meaning he always thinks--has a 6th sense and reads his opponents very well--everything they do--no matter who the opponent is---floyd's best trait is his mindset and his eyes come 2nd---you'll see foks---floyd has dominated his fights even at ww, potshotting and being defensive--landing more punches than his opponents even when throwing much less than them---why? because he is a methodical fighter and has always been---just look at how he trains copmared to everybody else---different padwork--different jumprope routine---the way he shadoboxes--making sure every punch is sharp just about and his movement from left to right--not just one way--throwing his oppoenents off---this is the reason why he is the best of the best because he is a thinking fighter with so many physically athletic gifts---again, pac is something special--he has many weapons--but when he meets floyd in the ring--he will be stopped within 8 rounds and totally dominated--you can take this to the bank---

[Doctor_Tenma]

Lots of people are gonna feel ****** on March.