When floyd says "one demensional" i know exactly what he means, come read

[Parody]

Pacquiao is greater than Floyd in terms of legacy and this is a great match-up in which I think Floyd will have his hand raised at the end of the day.

I've been a longtime fan of both these fighters, but I see floyd connecting his money punch lead right hands over and over again, while also using his jab effectively. He will reduce Manny's punch output by movement and counterpunching. Everyone knows Floyd is a better counterpuncher than Marquez, with better speed, reflexes and DEFENSE, he is overall the better boxer.

Marquez got knocked down 4 times in 2 fights because his defense isnt that great, but still he did win more rounds in those 24 rounds. Since then Pacquiao hasn't faced someone who has the counter punching ability of Marquez thats why it seems to everyone he has "improved a lot" because of his impressive wins against Hatton and Cotto, which stylistically favoured Manny while I think he has improved a little bit like his right hand is also effective now like the left but otherwise its the same. He was the favourite to win as Cotto was too flat footed, had stamina issues, both didnt have the speed, stamina or chin but Cotto was still dangerous in the opening rounds and Hatton didnt have a single advantage, he was far too unskilled to be competitive with Pacquiao.

Pacquiao has incredible speed, good power, along with a great chin, and stamina, but Floyd also has incredible speed, decent power, chin and stamina. The advantages Pacman has over Floyd is workrate, combination punching and aggresion (which will work against him IMO). That workrate can be slowed down by Movement (Williams vs Quintana I, Hopkins vs Pavlik, Hopkins vs Calzaghe) and Pacquiao wont punch as often with combinations if hes getting hit back by a lot of accurate counters. What Floyd has over Pacquiao is counterpunching, movement, defense and better accuracy along with height and reach advantage.

Most of us know that Floyd is a complete fighter who can not only throw every punch in the book, but fight effectively both on the inside and outside, his body work is also underrated. His shoulder roll wont be as effective in this fight but the shoulder roll isn't the only defense he has. I wont lie when I say Floyd will do whatever it takes to win, and he will, that includes elbows and effective clinches.

I see this going towards a clear decision for Floyd.

[Michael Hall]

This isnt a disrespect to pac, Pacs legacy is currently ahead of floyds. If you know me, im not a hater, i have respected and followed pac longer than alot of you likely reading this thread


. But when he says one demensional, i know what he means. Pacs diversity and angles are almost entirely offensive, and most of them come from when an opponent is stationary and attempting to trade. Alot of what he does works when an opponent is standing in front of him. For example, cotto was on the move, and jabbing, pac did absolutely nothing. All of the angles, diversity and his fantastic right hand are only effective if you are standing front of him either waiting for it or in the middle of an exchange. You take that away, and you can see floyds point.

Think about this. A guy like floyd who can take you inside, outside, move and throws every punch in the book, is extremely diverse. People keep talking about the shoulder roll like its his only defense, this guy gives you a different look practically every round. Also, people talk about pacs "improved defense", im not really seeing that. What i see is a grade A chin and a mountain of punch resistence. What i also see is cotto, moved, jabbed, even when he had nothing, still snapped pacs head back, technicians like floyd see that stuff a mile away. Cotto also connected with looping arm punches that had no buisness connecting. Mayweather can also take the fight inside and he needs virtually no room to punch, ive yet to see pac in a phonebooth.

Another thing that has to be noted. When pac moves his head to the right, the left hand over the top comes in every single time, cotto actually took a step back and threw a straight and stopped him in his tracks.

Floyd is not going to do what cotto did which is stand in front of him and attempt to impose his will. If pac wants to have any chance against floyd, they have to prepare him for floyd to be on the move. Frankly this is a very difficult fight for pac. Ive already seen floyd adjust midfight countless times. If you are looking to the judah fight for success, dont, if thats the case, ill look to the morales fight. Both floyd and pac are improved from that time, however its pacs chin and his outstanding power that have carried him this far. also his quickness.

Remember this also, floyd has a tendency to make fighters very wary of his accuracy which completely drops their punch output. Its not going to be a wipeout on either side.

I disagree with what you said about Pac only being good if his opponent is standing right in front of him. Did you not see Cotto backpedaling his ass off in the later rounds and still got stopped?

IMO, Pac is far from one dimensional. When I think of a one dimensional fighter I think of TITO TRINIDAD or DIEGO CORRALES (r.i.p).

Pac has plenty of dimensions. He can obviously fight well coming forward. If you try and back him up he'll counterpunch until his opponent gets weary. Pac can punch, Mayweather can't. Pac's handspeed is better than Mayweather's as well.

I'll give Floyd the edge on defense, but that's it. Manny Pac, imo, is his true match.

Even though the fight was at 154, old man De La Hoya was OVERLY competitive with Mayweather. That, imo, is a bit inexcusable for someone that claims to be the best all time. DLH was NO COMP for Manny P.

Floyd goes 11 rounds with Ricky Hatton. Good win for Floyd, but Luis Collazo laid the blueprint. Manny laid the poor chap out in 2 rounds.

While FLoyd was fighting the likes of Phil NDou, Chop Chop Corley, Henrey Bruseles, Sharmba Mitchell and Zab Judah... Manny was facing LEGENDS like Marco Barrera, Erik Morales and Juan Marquez (multiple times).

I believe that experience is what will eventually carry Manny to victory over Mayweather.

Lastly, Mayweather might've whitewashed Juan Marquez, but look at the circumstances. That was JMM's first fight at 140 (contrast that to Mayweather's first fight at 140...chop chop). Also, Mayweather intentionally concealed his weight on the nite of the fight. He looked like a Jr. Middleweight in the ring that nite against JMM.

Manny will be the biggest threat to Mayweather since a young JLC.

[The Gambler1981]

I pretty much agree about Mayweather, to me Manny is a great fighter but great fighters need to be able to engage to really show off their greatness. Floyd by hook or by crook will try to not allow this to occur at all costs, Floyd will engage but only when it is to his advantage to do so using his superior range then get through quickly to the inside to tie up and use the forearm shove to get room so he can land a couple short blows.

I agree that Manny is one dimensional in this regard he fights his way, his range and at his pace. He is great at fighting in his way but if forced off his way I think there will be problems for him, and one of the things Floyd does is not allow people to fight their way.

If Manny is to win his way will work and he will just be the better man.

[Parody]

All the crap you just pointed out goes out the window when Floyd gets tagged, seriously..

Floyd hardly gets tagged often because of his defense, and when he does, he takes it well to the chin.

Check this out man, Hatton closed the distance on Floyd Jr from rounds 1 through 9, the problem with Hatton, was he didn't know what to do once he got to the desired spot, instead of punching, he just kept leanin' on Floyd Jr. against the ropes and clinched.

Closed the distance yet was getting owned mostly throughout the fight, Hatton won 1 or 2 rounds at the most and that was the early ones when Floyd was figuring him out. The reason he couldnt do much when he got to the "desired spot" was because he was getting tagged with counters through out. That is Hattons style he clinches, leans and punches repeat x20, but Floyd beat him in his own game.

If Hatton easily closed the gap on Floyd, PAC will do the same and his awkward punching angles will slip through. Zab did it as well, but, the problem with Zab is, he doesn't try to work someone over.

If Marquez easily counter punched Pacquiao, Floyd will do the same but with defense, better counterpunching ability, ACCURACY, handspeed and footspeed.

To this day, I still think that if Zab had the kind of toughness that Hatton and PAC has, that he could've very well pulled off the upset on his buddy Floyd.

Zab doesn't have the mental toughness Hatton has, and Hatton doesn't have the skills Zab has. Every fighter is different and has an advantage and disadvantage, you cant say If Hatton had the skills of Zab, the chin of Williams, the speed of Pacquiao and the power of Pavlik he would defeat fighter X, Y or Z. There are no IF's in boxing...it is what it is, every fighter has a positive and a negative.

[Bretty Poy32]

floyd is 1 dimensional too in technical way

[Parody]

I disagree with what you said about Pac only being good if his opponent is standing right in front of him. Did you not see Cotto backpedaling his ass off in the later rounds and still got stopped?.

Cotto is flat footed and has stamina issues. BEFORE this fight everyone knew Cotto cant fight going backwards, he was backpedaling against Margarito and Mosley in the later rounds too. What happened to Cotto was that he was out of stamina, taken too many shots, mentally not the same fighter and was just there to survive. With Floyd its a different story, he will be punching back in the later rounds, he has never had stamina/chin issues and he will frustrate Manny with his elusiveness.

Pac has plenty of dimensions. He can obviously fight well coming forward. If you try and back him up he'll counterpunch until his opponent gets weary. Pac can punch, Mayweather can't. Pac's handspeed is better than Mayweather's as well. .

Who said Mayweather cant punch? Pacquiao will bring in the best of Floyd Mayweather when the fight because of their styles. More opportunities for Floyd to counter and dictate the pace of the fight. Mayweather is as quick as Pacquiao if not quicker, put both of them in the same ring and you will see the speed difference isn't that much, hell when Cotto and Pacquiao were in the ring Cotto looked fast too, so put Floyd there instead of Cotto and see the difference.

Even though the fight was at 154, old man De La Hoya was OVERLY competitive with Mayweather. That, imo, is a bit inexcusable for someone that claims to be the best all time. DLH was NO COMP for Manny P..

The weight, gloves and ringsize were chosen by Oscar still Floyd won 116-112 at Oscar's comfortable weight in 2007.

In the pacquiao fight, an extremely weight drained oscar had to make the welterweight limit, the last time he made that prior to the pacquiao bout was in 2001, 7 years ago.

Floyd goes 11 rounds with Ricky Hatton. Good win for Floyd, but Luis Collazo laid the blueprint. Manny laid the poor chap out in 2 rounds. ..

It was 10 rounds, and styles make fights. You are making a fool out of yourself please stop.

[-EX-]

The main reason I favor Floyd is the simple fact that Pac has never been in the ring with a skilled defensive fighter, even close to the level of Floyd Mayweather...

A counterpuncher with poor defense and mediocre handspeed took him to the edge last year...I think he's in over his head...

Pac may have a better resume but Floyd just spells bad style matchup for Pac IMO...

[president]

Not a very insightful analysis

You missed one crucial element, Mayweather has never faced a more complete fighter than Manny Pacquiao. He is the culmination of power and speed. His pressure and intensity is second to none. Most of all, no boxer in the world has the stamina that the Pacman has. He can continuously stalk and punch for 15 rounds straight. Most of PBF's opponents were inferior in this department, and they run out of gas before they can slow Mayweather down. Manny will not! And the strategy against PBF is not head-hunting but all-angle punching against every part of the upper body. There ain't no running from that!!

[El Jesus]

Not a very insightful analysis

You missed one crucial element, Mayweather has never faced a more complete fighter than Manny Pacquiao. He is the culmination of power and speed. His pressure and intensity is second to none. Most of all, no boxer in the world has the stamina that the Pacman has. He can continuously stalk and punch for 15 rounds straight. Most of PBF's opponents were inferior in this department, and they run out of gas before they can slow Mayweather down. Manny will not! And the strategy against PBF is not head-hunting but all-angle punching against every part of the upper body. There ain't no running from that!!

lol @ the most respected posters on here giving good arguments, counter arguments and deep analysis, some of the people in here i can tell have actually been in the ring and you come with this ****.

[bdevils]

This isnt a disrespect to pac, Pacs legacy is currently ahead of floyds. If you know me, im not a hater, i have respected and followed pac longer than alot of you likely reading this thread


. But when he says one demensional, i know what he means. Pacs diversity and angles are almost entirely offensive, and most of them come from when an opponent is stationary and attempting to trade. Alot of what he does works when an opponent is standing in front of him. For example, cotto was on the move, and jabbing, pac did absolutely nothing. All of the angles, diversity and his fantastic right hand are only effective if you are standing front of him either waiting for it or in the middle of an exchange. You take that away, and you can see floyds point.

Think about this. A guy like floyd who can take you inside, outside, move and throws every punch in the book, is extremely diverse. People keep talking about the shoulder roll like its his only defense, this guy gives you a different look practically every round. Also, people talk about pacs "improved defense", im not really seeing that. What i see is a grade A chin and a mountain of punch resistence. What i also see is cotto, moved, jabbed, even when he had nothing, still snapped pacs head back, technicians like floyd see that stuff a mile away. Cotto also connected with looping arm punches that had no buisness connecting. Mayweather can also take the fight inside and he needs virtually no room to punch, ive yet to see pac in a phonebooth.

Another thing that has to be noted. When pac moves his head to the right, the left hand over the top comes in every single time, cotto actually took a step back and threw a straight and stopped him in his tracks.

Floyd is not going to do what cotto did which is stand in front of him and attempt to impose his will. If pac wants to have any chance against floyd, they have to prepare him for floyd to be on the move. Frankly this is a very difficult fight for pac. Ive already seen floyd adjust midfight countless times. If you are looking to the judah fight for success, dont, if thats the case, ill look to the morales fight. Both floyd and pac are improved from that time, however its pacs chin and his outstanding power that have carried him this far. also his quickness.

Remember this also, floyd has a tendency to make fighters very wary of his accuracy which completely drops their punch output. Its not going to be a wipeout on either side.

Good post! Your exactly right here and it happens in majority if not all his fights when comparing what his opponent's average output is. I think looking past his speed, defense or any other physical attribute this is what makes Floyd as good as he is.