When floyd says "one demensional" i know exactly what he means, come read

[IronFistKilla]

Preach Jesus! I love Pac, but his resume has not prepared him for floyd, unfortunately. He should have fought Zahir after he schooled Morales. Zahir would have been a perfect test. He also should have went after Guzman, steve forbes, or Nate cambell. The first two will give him angles, head movement, and craftiness. Cambell will give him inside fighting. Those aren't big money fights but help in making Pac a complete fighter. If the fight with floyd happens, this will be the first african-american fighter Pac will face. Floyd is near perfection. I can only hope Roach brings in slick, crafty african-american fighters for sparring. If not, Pac only has a punchers chance really.

[slicksouthpaw16]

This isnt a disrespect to pac, Pacs legacy is currently ahead of floyds. If you know me, im not a hater, i have respected and followed pac longer than alot of you likely reading this thread


. But when he says one demensional, i know what he means. Pacs diversity and angles are almost entirely offensive, and most of them come from when an opponent is stationary and attempting to trade. Alot of what he does works when an opponent is standing in front of him. For example, cotto was on the move, and jabbing, pac did absolutely nothing. All of the angles, diversity and his fantastic right hand are only effective if you are standing front of him either waiting for it or in the middle of an exchange. You take that away, and you can see floyds point.

Think about this. A guy like floyd who can take you inside, outside, move and throws every punch in the book, is extremely diverse. People keep talking about the shoulder roll like its his only defense, this guy gives you a different look practically every round. Also, people talk about pacs "improved defense", im not really seeing that. What i see is a grade A chin and a mountain of punch resistence. What i also see is cotto, moved, jabbed, even when he had nothing, still snapped pacs head back, technicians like floyd see that stuff a mile away. Cotto also connected with looping arm punches that had no buisness connecting. Mayweather can also take the fight inside and he needs virtually no room to punch, ive yet to see pac in a phonebooth.

Another thing that has to be noted. When pac moves his head to the right, the left hand over the top comes in every single time, cotto actually took a step back and threw a straight and stopped him in his tracks.

Floyd is not going to do what cotto did which is stand in front of him and attempt to impose his will. If pac wants to have any chance against floyd, they have to prepare him for floyd to be on the move. Frankly this is a very difficult fight for pac. Ive already seen floyd adjust midfight countless times. If you are looking to the judah fight for success, dont, if thats the case, ill look to the morales fight. Both floyd and pac are improved from that time, however its pacs chin and his outstanding power that have carried him this far. also his quickness.

Remember this also, floyd has a tendency to make fighters very wary of his accuracy which completely drops their punch output. Its not going to be a wipeout on either side.

Great post, i know exactly where you're coming from. Manny is very fast and explosive, but i think he'll always run into problems against technicians who has the IQ to offset his speed and figure him out.

[THE REED]

Good post.....

[COACH WEBB]

good post

sidenote: I never understood why someone would post in a thread without reading the first post...

yea..DITTO. the guy actually talked about the fight in the ring and I can respect that. no bashing one way or another. we need more of this on this site. for real.

[THE REED]

You are right though, he doesn't just give you the shoulder roll... he will also give you that "binocular" defense, with his gloves up looking through them... Manny pretty much has his way of fighting, and right now its just too much to handle the fighters he is fighting... Floyd has the ability to completely change up.

IMO The only thing that will beat Floyd is age.

Floyd WILL lose eventually. That I know for sure.

The money and limelight will keep bring him back... when he is 37 years old, still thinking he is the best ever, and once again in need of that 20 million dollar payday, he will eventually bite off more than he can chew from a young lion.

Floyd has his hands FULL with Pacman, but I give Floyd the edge all day.

[dyu]

Its a bad style matchup for pac.
Styles make fights.
Pac does better with fighters who come at him.

[Left Hook Tua]

fucking floyd is one dimensional.

[nujabes77]

hatton is his hardest/toughest fight says something...

[KRITKL]

This isnt a disrespect to pac, Pacs legacy is currently ahead of floyds. If you know me, im not a hater, i have respected and followed pac longer than alot of you likely reading this thread


. But when he says one demensional, i know what he means. Pacs diversity and angles are almost entirely offensive, and most of them come from when an opponent is stationary and attempting to trade. Alot of what he does works when an opponent is standing in front of him. For example, cotto was on the move, and jabbing, pac did absolutely nothing. All of the angles, diversity and his fantastic right hand are only effective if you are standing front of him either waiting for it or in the middle of an exchange. You take that away, and you can see floyds point.

Think about this. A guy like floyd who can take you inside, outside, move and throws every punch in the book, is extremely diverse. People keep talking about the shoulder roll like its his only defense, this guy gives you a different look practically every round. Also, people talk about pacs "improved defense", im not really seeing that. What i see is a grade A chin and a mountain of punch resistence. What i also see is cotto, moved, jabbed, even when he had nothing, still snapped pacs head back, technicians like floyd see that stuff a mile away. Cotto also connected with looping arm punches that had no buisness connecting. Mayweather can also take the fight inside and he needs virtually no room to punch, ive yet to see pac in a phonebooth.

Another thing that has to be noted. When pac moves his head to the right, the left hand over the top comes in every single time, cotto actually took a step back and threw a straight and stopped him in his tracks.

Floyd is not going to do what cotto did which is stand in front of him and attempt to impose his will. If pac wants to have any chance against floyd, they have to prepare him for floyd to be on the move. Frankly this is a very difficult fight for pac. Ive already seen floyd adjust midfight countless times. If you are looking to the judah fight for success, dont, if thats the case, ill look to the morales fight. Both floyd and pac are improved from that time, however its pacs chin and his outstanding power that have carried him this far. also his quickness.

Remember this also, floyd has a tendency to make fighters very wary of his accuracy which completely drops their punch output. Its not going to be a wipeout on either side.

Great post. Floyd is going to have to move if he fights Pac, because like you said his offence is mostly effective against a stationary or forward moving fighter. Floyd trying to make it a inside fight ain't going to work. Although Floyd is good at it, it will just give Pac a chance to land something. Pac has shown he can fight inside just see rds2-4 vs Cotto, or the Diaz and 2nd EM fight. He wasn't always inside but when he was he did some work.
I don't see Floyd's potshots slowing down Pac, if Cotto's jab didn't do it Floyd's ain't going to do it. I see a close fight going to a decision, single accurate punches and defense vs activity and agression.

[Ray*]

Good post all round, I think Mayweather would pick Pac off easily and get on his bike when he needs to, JMM was able to box and brawl with pac because he has the technical ability that most latin fighter dont possess.

Mayweather would beat pac and make it look easy but people would say he didnt stand and trade whenever it happens.