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  • Uturn
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    #21
    Originally posted by Exciterx24
    If there was anything that Cotto showed was a lot of heart. He also showed he had the skills to outpoint Pacquiao but I think that, for some reason, he decided that a war would suit him. Only the man know why, but seems that the preconceived notion that he was the bigger, stronger fighter made him go reckless. I'm not saying he would have defeated Pacquiao but he definitely would have given himself a terrific chance of doing so.
    This was exactly what i was thinking! Why do boxers think they can trade and bully the far superior Pacquiao? His punch output is probably a ratio of 5:1 for every 1 you throw pac will land around 5. WAR suits Pacquiao everytime and he always comes out triumphs when you decide to go all out. It's just wierd that every fighter seems to get caught up in Mannys style and pursue they can beat him at it when his combos vs yours, there is only one winner. Cotto really needed to jab, jab, jab and pick him off but he found himself trading with Pacquiao which surely was his downfall...

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      #22
      Originally posted by Casual
      This was exactly what i was thinking! Why do boxers think they can trade and bully the far superior Pacquiao? His punch output is probably a ratio of 5:1 for every 1 you throw pac will land around 5. WAR suits Pacquiao everytime and he always comes out triumphs when you decide to go all out. It's just wierd that every fighter seems to get caught up in Mannys style and pursue they can beat him at it when his combos vs yours, there is only one winner. Cotto really needed to jab, jab, jab and pick him off but he found himself trading with Pacquiao which surely was his downfall...
      Indeed, you could see Cotto was having a lot of success timing Pacquiao with the jab, but he did not have the discipline or "coolness" to stick to the gameplan. I'm sure he'll realize this if he rewatches the tape of the fight but, all in all, Pacquiao just won fair and square. The funny thing is that Pacquiao does not do many different things, he's just great at what he does and everyone falls for it. The greater Manny becomes the better that 2005 win by Erik Morales looks.

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        #23
        Originally posted by Casual
        This was exactly what i was thinking! Why do boxers think they can trade and bully the far superior Pacquiao? His punch output is probably a ratio of 5:1 for every 1 you throw pac will land around 5. WAR suits Pacquiao everytime and he always comes out triumphs when you decide to go all out. It's just wierd that every fighter seems to get caught up in Mannys style and pursue they can beat him at it when his combos vs yours, there is only one winner. Cotto really needed to jab, jab, jab and pick him off but he found himself trading with Pacquiao which surely was his downfall...
        Cotto's jab was beautiful, no lie. The first few rounds watching Manny's wig get snapped back by that stiff jab had me nervous as ****. Manny never really saw the jab coming. Luckily he was able to take it well.

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          #24
          Observations about cotto? the only one that is relevent is this: When the going got tough, he quit yet again. Lost a bit of respect for him there, and lost all respect for santiago, his corner was the worst i've ever seen in a title fight, they werent telling him anything at all that could have helped. i dont think anything would have helped, but it would have been nice to see some kind of instruction in the early rounds when he could have stemmed the flow a little

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            #25
            Originally posted by Exciterx24
            If there was anything that Cotto showed was a lot of heart. He also showed he had the skills to outpoint Pacquiao but I think that, for some reason, he decided that a war would suit him. Only the man know why, but seems that the preconceived notion that he was the bigger, stronger fighter made him go reckless. I'm not saying he would have defeated Pacquiao but he definitely would have given himself a terrific chance of doing so.
            Every fighter seems to resort to war against Pacquiao, this is where i think, Mayweather would fair well against him. He simply wouldn't get caught up like others have in the past because he has far more discipline and bides his time which Cotto obvoisly lacked. Im not saying Mayweather would beat him but he has the greatest chance than any other WW's! Discipline is sometimes key in boxing, it's where boxers go horribly wrong from time to time, and was the source of the problem for Cotto last night. Im come to the conclusion that if you trade with Pacquiao your in for a hell of a long night and probably a beating! WAR with pacquiao should be avoided at all costs unless your lightening quick! 'The man who plays the man at his own game always loses'!


            Originally posted by Splackavellie
            Cotto's jab was beautiful, no lie. The first few rounds watching Manny's wig get snapped back by that stiff jab had me nervous as ****. Manny never really saw the jab coming. Luckily he was able to take it well.
            Manny has a great a chin but Cotto should have stuck to the gameplan which failed him. The jab was working great but he decided WAR was the best option which showed it doesn't suit him!
            Last edited by Uturn; 11-15-2009, 09:27 AM.

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              #26
              Originally posted by ophqui
              Observations about cotto? the only one that is relevent is this: When the going got tough, he quit yet again. Lost a bit of respect for him there, and lost all respect for santiago, his corner was the worst i've ever seen in a title fight, they werent telling him anything at all that could have helped. i dont think anything would have helped, but it would have been nice to see some kind of instruction in the early rounds when he could have stemmed the flow a little
              I totally disagree and even Cotto haters have given him credit for dying with his boots on. The fight could have been stopped 3 or 4 rounds earlier, yet he insisted on going on until the end. The ref stopped the fight, Cotto did not quit. He just chose the wrong gameplan and lost to a great fighter.
              Last edited by Exciterx30; 11-15-2009, 09:55 AM.

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                #27
                Originally posted by ophqui
                lost all respect for santiago, his corner was the worst i've ever seen in a title fight, they werent telling him anything at all that could have helped. i dont think anything would have helped, but it would have been nice to see some kind of instruction in the early rounds when he could have stemmed the flow a little
                I agree with this, the inexperience of Santiago showed. Once Cotto started back peddling and getting hurt, his corner did nothing except encourage him to keep going. WTF, how about some tactical changes in the game plan? Santiago is green as hell.

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                  #28
                  Originally posted by Exciterx24
                  I totally disagree and even Cotto haters have given him credit for dying with his boots on. The fight could have been stopped 3 or 4 rounds early, yet he insisted on going on until the end. The ref stopped the fight, Cotto did not qut. He just chose the wrong gameplan and lost to a great fighter.
                  im not a hater of anybody, but cotto quit. He was not trying to win the fight from about the 9th onwards. Thats quitting. Might as well have taken a knee. Its not a gameplan to run away and potshot when your at least 7 points behind.

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                    #29
                    Originally posted by Pullcounter
                    **** NO!!! COTTO STANS MUST FEEL MY WRATH!!!! THEY HAVE BEEN TALKING **** FOREVER!!! THEY WILL EXPERIENCE HELL!!!!



                    let's just face it cotto is not in pac's league.

                    if cotto wants to continue, he needs a new trainer and he needs to take 3-4 fights to get adjusted to the new trainer.


                    Morales was a true warrior and never ran from anyone. do not mention cotto's name next to morales!!!!



                    JUST FACE IT!!! COTTO IS A VERY GOOD WELTERWEIGHT... RANKED #2... BUT HE IS NO MATCH FOR A TOP 10 ATG!!!!!
                    i thought pac was just a flyweight

                    u after timing tool

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                    • Exciterx30
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                      #30
                      Originally posted by ophqui
                      im not a hater of anybody, but cotto quit. He was not trying to win the fight from about the 9th onwards. Thats quitting. Might as well have taken a knee. Its not a gameplan to run away and potshot when your at least 7 points behind.
                      First of all, I did not call you a hater. I wanted to point out that haters gave him credit. I have not seen enough of your posts to accuse you of being one. I just want to leave that clear to avoid any misunderstanding.

                      I don't know what other boxing fans look for when naming a quitter, but I don't think he quit. He retreated once he had received a beating because he wanted to finish the fight on his feet, because of pride. Taking a knee or sitting on his stool after 7 or 8 rounds counts as quitting, but that's just how I see it.

                      The gameplan was not to run originally, he did that to survive. His gameplan was to outfight and bully Pacquiao. Once it backfired, he had to resort to retreating because there was no way out once Pacquiao got confident enough to initiate the exchanges. So, in the end, Cotto tried and fought to the finish, just got outclassed and beat, but you're entitled to a different opinion.

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