Real History: How Serious is Pacquiao’s Quest for Seven?

[Dave Rado]

he was massive for flyweight, some of his opponents looked like children in there with him

You're confusing height with weight. They're called weight classes for a reason.

the fact that he has never really made an impact in any division hurts too

He beat three Hall of Famers at 130lb. Very few people in history have done that.

He also beat one Hall of Famer, and drew with another, at 126.

[Athrun340]

Why would it be a fluke? Nobody is claiming it was a fluke, but he was fighting the shell of a man. You going to sit there and tell me that Pacman would have put that type of beating on a *healthy* De La Hoya? getthefuckoutttahe.

Theres no question that Pacquiao fought the Dela Hoya that was past his prime.

However, I think the main question here is can Pacquiao beat the dela hoya that is not dehydrated?

Ask yourself this question. Who is the better fighter?

1. An old Dela Hoya who is not dehydrated? perhaps the version of Dela Hoya that Mayweather fought?

or

2. The current Miguel Cotto who is a legit welterweight and in his prime?

Furthermore, a win against Cotto would also, in my opinion, validate the Hatton win. Is Ricky Hatton really overrated like people are saying or is Pacquiao just that good?

ofcourse this also depends on how Cotto looks tomorrow night and the way Pacquiao beats Cotto.

[Dave Rado]

You gotta be kidding me. Nothing validates a victory over an old dehydrated De La Hoya..

Everyone predicted that old, dehydrated De La Hoya would knock Manny out. They said it was a complete mismatch.

And you're also ignoring the fact that Manny fought a perfect fight that night. He didn't fight the best version of De La Hoya, but that wasn't his fault. The only thing he could control was his own performance, and that was brilliant.

Hatton was a good victory but it is only Hatton..

Who had been The Ring and Lineal champion for nearly four years, and who in his previous fight had won every round against the man ranked #2 at the time, before stopping him in 11.

[bluetuazon]

Theres no question that Pacquiao fought the Dela Hoya that was past his prime.

However, I think the main question here is can Pacquiao beat the dela hoya that is not dehydrated?

Ask yourself this question. Who is the better fighter?

1. An old Dela Hoya who is not dehydrated? perhaps the version of Dela Hoya that Mayweather fought?

or

2. The current Miguel Cotto who is a legit welterweight and in his prime?

Furthermore, a win against Cotto would also, in my opinion, validate the Hatton win. Is Ricky Hatton really overrated like people are saying or is Pacquiao just that good?

ofcourse this also depends on how Cotto looks tomorrow night and the way Pacquiao beats Cotto.

i guess u should also ask the question on who picked who...

the last time i checked it was dela hoya who cherrypicked pacquiao...not the other way around...

[p4p-champ]

Everyone predicted that old, dehydrated De La Hoya would knock Manny out. They said it was a complete mismatch.

No, most people predicted a *healthy* De La Hoya to beat Pacman. Hoya was far from healthy, the man was a walking corpse. He weighed less than Pacman.

[Dave Rado]

No, most people predicted a *healthy* De La Hoya to beat Pacman. Hoya was far from healthy, the man was a walking corpse. He weighed less than Pacman.

Everyone knew that De La Hoya hadn't fought at 147 for many years. Everyone knew that he was likely to be dehydrated to some extent. No one knew how well he'd be able to cope with the reduction in weight, and every credible boxing expert factored the possibility of his being severely weight drained into their prediction. Despite that, they still predicted that it would be a mismatch and that De La Hoya would knock Manny out, weight drained or not.

If you thought De La Hoya would be able to fight at 147 after so long with no ill effects whatsoever, than you were living in cloud cuckoo land. Most boxing experts knew otherwise, but still thought DLH would win.

And the "walking corpse" threw as many punches per round (according to Compubox) against Pacquiao as he did against Mayweather, but hardly any landed against Pacquiao. Sure he wasn't anywhere near his best, but Manny's speed and game plan, and the fact that De La Hoya has always struggled against southpaws, combined to make him look a lot worse than he really was.

[boxasmash]

Isn't this his 6th? What one am I missing? Flyweight, Super Bantam, Super Featherweight, Lightweight, Light Weltwerweight and Welterweight would be 6th?

[Dave Rado]

Isn't this his 6th? What one am I missing? Flyweight, Super Bantam, Super Featherweight, Lightweight, Light Weltwerweight and Welterweight would be 6th?

I guess they're counting his Ring and Lineal title at Featherweight.

[Lacrimosa]

Who had been The Ring and Lineal champion for nearly four years, and who in his previous fight had won every round against the man ranked #2 at the time, before stopping him in 11.

To be fair it was Buddy McGirt who should have gotten a TKO win on his record... If he didn`t get into the ring, Hatton would have gotten a decision win, not a stoppage.

P.S. i think both PBF and Pacman should get credit for defeating Hatton, then they receive.

[BillyBoxing]

Cotto started his professional career at Lightweight, and most of his fights were at Jnr Welterweight, not at Welterweight. Jnr Welterweight is now Pacquiao's natural weight, so there is no longer much difference between them in terms of weight. And they're the same height as each other, and have the same reach.

You're also failing to take into account the fact that Pac turned pro when he was just a boy of 15, and when Cotto was a boy of 15, he was also fighting at Light Flyweight. Cotto lost to Ivan Calderon at Light Flyweight in the amateurs. Both fighters have grown into men since then, and there is now only one weight division between them in terms of their natural weights.

Pretty hypocrit statement.
******!
Cotto was a flyweight at 15??
AND??
Manny was a flyweight at 20 years old,not 15,pretty different,and a featherweight,125,at 28 years old.

And Cotto always was a 140 pounders as a grown man,now a 147 pounders since many years,weighin 160 pounds for the Urkal's fight night.

So,I don't buy your garbage thesis,that Cotto and Manny are same size.

You will see,Manny will weigh the fight night around 148,149,Cotto around 158
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Ten pounds hands down,Cotto is wayyy thinker.