Plaster proof!!!???? Maybe!!!

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  • zalez787
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    Plaster proof!!!???? Maybe!!!

    First of all I'm not one to just take anybody's word easily, and this is not a statement by any means , but is something that , once I heard it , It didnt make complete sense , but it was the closest thing to having any sense , and actually some kind of evidence , not hard evidence , call it more like a personal statement shared by mutual opponents.

    So I'm with my friend in one of his amateur bout , Hes actually pretty good 9-0-7 Hes from Cuban descent. Trying to make it to the olympics. But getting back to topic. Im listening to this trainer , Not any famous Trainer , just a regular guy. And this i what he shares , his logic about the famous plaster incident involving Antonio Margarito!!!

    He said first of all , I have wrapped hands more than 1,000 times , and there hasn't been a time , where my fighter doesn't know what I'm doing or a time where he doesn't look down at what I'm doing. "Considering Mosley and even Clottey confirmed Cotto hits harder than Margarito and also considering Both Clottey and Mosley , each gave his share of shots to Cotto for 12 rounds , tells me that there was something more than gassing out issues in that fight".
    Think about this , and he also said this , not my words. "Mosley and Cotto where going toe to toe since the beginning , Margarito was getting outboxed since the beggining. Cotto actually outboxed Margarito more effectively within the first 5 rounds , Making Cotto - Mosley clearly look like it would have had the same effect on Cotto's face , not talking about stamina. All of a sudden , Margarito sharpens his attack between the mid-point of the 6th. But Cotto still manages to outbox him and land his share of big shots. So he was winning up to that point. And in the sixth Cotto was still in control , Taking more sharper shots , but handing out his share. So it is the 7th round , and lets consider this. Comparing Cotto - Mosley and Cotto - Margarito , in the start of the 7th round , Cotto was beating Margarito more convincingly than he was Moley. So that leaves 5 rounds. And Cotto might have stamina issues , but gassing out in the 7th?????? Forget his stamina isues , You cant make a guys face , look like that in 5 rounds ,lets be considerate and give margarito 6 rounds of sharp punches , you still need more than gassing out issues , to make a guy's face look the way Cotto's did. Thats just comparing Mosley - Cotto , how about Clottey - Cotto , which was even worst than what Mosley did. He actually had Cotto's eye with a cut , and was hitting Cotto with big shots since the opening bell. You didnt see Cotto' face swell against Clottey. And he and Clottey went toe - toe for 12 , Mosley and Cotto went toe to toe for 12 , Margarito didnt go toe to toe for 11 rounds with Cotto. Cotto outboxed him impressively for lets say 5 , You just dont do that to a guys face in 6 rounds , 6 rounds where he wasnt even in complete control , Margarito was in complete control from the mid-point of the 7th round. Which just leaves 4 rounds , for proof , that there was more than gassing out issues , but thats just about his stamina. What about the way his face looked. And it swelled up. In 4 rounds? lets give him 5? Still , No way!!!"

    It is an impressive point of view on The hand wraps topic. One that has been discussed plenty of times here. But even so , I have never seen an analysis of the incident , which such different and fresh points , So thats why I am sharing it with you guys. I think that even tho it is not hard evidence , and even tho we will never know. Those are very important points to consider. And as much as I want to give Margarito the benefit of the doubt , That explanation , at least to me , makes complete sense. Cottos face has never looked like that. And has been deeper in fights going into the 6th round. So in 5 rounds , giving Margarito maximum rounds in control , Cuz he wasnt at all in the 5th. Forget about exhaustion. Cotto's face could not look like that in such short time.!!!!
  • WhoreUs
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    There is no proof.
    They need to rematch next year.
    This plaster or not **** is beyond old.
    Margarito beat his ass. Period.
    Deal with it.

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    • zalez787
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      Originally posted by WhoreUs
      There is no proof.
      They need to rematch next year.
      This plaster or not **** is beyond old.
      Margarito beat his ass. Period.
      Deal with it.
      Those 5 "sentences" if you will , just prove that YOU need to deal with it more than I do. like I said , I was sharing a different point of view and a fresh one. The smartest logic up to now. From anybody!!!!.

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      • Allucard
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        #4
        Originally posted by WhoreUs
        There is no proof.
        They need to rematch next year.
        This plaster or not **** is beyond old.
        Margarito beat his ass. Period.
        Deal with it.
        In the end yes they will need to rematch. But people have the right to speculate about Margo cheating. Not that any posting will prove anything. The word "proof" is overused around here. They will fight again sometime next year. If Cotto loses that might as well be his next fight. But if Cotto loses the way I'm thinking he's going to, then he should stay well away from Margarito...

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        • WhoreUs
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          #5
          Originally posted by zalez787
          Those 5 "sentences" if you will , just prove that YOU need to deal with it more than I do. like I said , I was sharing a different point of view and a fresh one. The smartest logic up to now. From anybody!!!!.
          I don't even like Margarito.
          But this **** is annoying as hell.
          We'll likely never know if he cheated in that fight.
          Cotto needs to fight him again later.
          If Pac beats him, sooner than later.
          Only way we get closure is a rematch.
          Every possible angle has been discussed on this.
          Drop it already.

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          • Bobby_Manila
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            The only one who is GUILTY of all the BS around the plaster issue is Miguel Cotto.

            Cotto should have sued Margarito and force both Margo and his trainer to testify or go into evidentiary procedures. A good judge would get the truth out of this. Remember than in a civil case there is NO "INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY". Cotto would have to prove Margo is guilty, and Margo would have to prove he is not guilty.

            But Cotto is stubborn. He said "let it be", so let it be.

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            • makav3li
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              #7
              The entire boxing world knows Margarito cheated anyway, just not on paper.

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              • zalez787
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                I clearly specified I was sharing the most logic opinion up to now about the subject I dont know why everone is taking this the same direction , all the threads go , What do u think about his opinion. I dont care about your opinion on the matter , I didnt post any of your opinions , cuz they dont get nowhere , speculating or not , no logic , this one has some logic. So wtf. Do u think it has some logic or u either dont. Why post ******ED opinions that have been posted over and over , this one is different and I had to share it. We all agree that this is just an opinion on the topic, Proof or no proof , this is the smartest thing that anybody has said , about the matter. Not just the old , Who acres no proof , deal with it , let it go , Cotto fans are crying , Margarito fans , are cowards , Margarito is a cheater. This guy's logic actually makes some sense.

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                • King Jaffe Joffer
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                  • Stickman
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                    #10
                    Originally posted by Bobby_Manila
                    The only one who is GUILTY of all the BS around the plaster issue is Miguel Cotto.

                    Cotto should have sued Margarito and force both Margo and his trainer to testify or go into evidentiary procedures. A good judge would get the truth out of this. Remember than in a civil case there is NO "INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY". Cotto would have to prove Margo is guilty, and Margo would have to prove he is not guilty.

                    But Cotto is stubborn. He said "let it be", so let it be.
                    The only type of "good judge" there is, is one that, after you buy him, he stays bought. Do not ever, EVER imagine you'll get a fair shake in front of a judge during a civil case. I had a small claims case against a local phone company go before two different judges. I had proof, both in recordings and writing of the bull**** the phone company pulled on me. The first judge didn't even allow me to present my case, and the second one, quite literally, tried to pick a fight with me as soon as I got into the court room. So both these guys were "good judges", they were just bought and paid for by the other side with campaign donations from the owners of the phone company (privately owned by two individuals). Blatant corruption, and these people don't even give a **** whether everybody knows it or not.

                    Anyway, forget about ever seeing an honest and decent judge...there's no such thing. And the only people that truly benefit from a civil case are the scumbag attorneys.....actually, I should apologize for that.....I didn't intend to insult scumbags.

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                    Oh, and one other thing: Margarito would probably lose a fair court case, whether there was enough evidence or not, provided it made it to a jury (unless, of course, a bought and paid for judge threw the jury's decision out, and yes, they can do that if they want)...it was proven, after the fact, that he has used plaster, and the video evidence of miguel's busted up face would be a pretty good method of persuasion in front of any jury.

                    Also, in my opinion, Margarito should've been charged with attempted felony assault after being caught with plaster in his wraps before the Mosley fight, and banned from the sport for the rest of his life, as well as being sentenced to a year or two in prison.
                    Last edited by Stickman; 11-11-2009, 07:58 AM.

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