How many people have achieved what David Haye has in 24 fights?

[Shadows]

Hell you don't even need Oscar. We can beat him at his own game. Spinks from 175 to heavy title in less fights.

I try to be fair when beating people down.

I think Spinks might have had more than 24 fights when he faced Holmes. But regardless, Spinks' resume in his first 24 fights trumps Haye's.

Holyfield might have done it in less than 24 though.

[Hitman932]

Emile Griffith is the only man to give out more *******s than David Haye within his first 24 fights.

[$partacus]

Hell you don't even need Oscar. We can beat him at his own game. Spinks from 175 to heavy title in less fights.
Did Spinks win titles in 2 divisions in his first 24 fights?
I try to be fair when beating people down.

I don't know a person alive who thinks Valuev was better than Holmes or Spinks light heavy competition.

I kind of did this for note of caution. When Spinks faced a big puncher, he crumbled.

Let's see what Haye has before annointing him.

Did Spinks win titles in 2 divisions in his first 24 fights?

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I think Spinks might have had more than 24 fights when he faced Holmes. But regardless, Spinks' resume in his first 24 fights trumps Haye's.

Holyfield might have done it in less than 24 though.

I believe it was 23 actually.

And another point about Holy, cruiser was 190 then. It wasn't 200 lbs until 2003.

I know I am nitpicking but just trying to be factual.

I suppose I could look this up, but I trust my knowledge on the fly.

[Shadows]

I believe it was 23 actually.

And another point about Holy, cruiser was 190 then. It wasn't 200 lbs until 2003.

I know I am nitpicking but just trying to be factual.

I suppose I could look this up, but I trust my knowledge on the fly.

I'm going to disagree.

I remember going into the Qawi fight that Spinks was 22-0-0, and after that he made a few more defenses at 175. He may have been like 26-0-0 or 27-0-0.

[j]

ahh! now i see it! valuev wasnt hurt by haye! i originally though that valuev was simply off-balance and his tiredness made his little stumble look worse.

now, thanks to looking at it carefull, as that six shooter poster has as a sig, i see that valuev almost twisted his leg when he stepped back. watch valev's back leg as he steps back and u can see he almost rolls his ankle. so that is why he looked like he stumbled from a punch! very clear now!
i was close though.

btw, watch his left leg, that is the one that steps back. then watch how he reacts immediately after picking his leg up. i learn human mechanics as part of medical school and my own training. i recognize a near twisted leg when i see one.

[$partacus]

I believe it was 23 actually.

And another point about Holy, cruiser was 190 then. It wasn't 200 lbs until 2003.

I know I am nitpicking but just trying to be factual.

I suppose I could look this up, but I trust my knowledge on the fly.

Just checked and it' 25.

The point of this thread is not to say Haye is the best fighter ever, it is to try and show morons that call Haye a bum and overhyped that what he has done in his short career is pretty impressive.

[Vasyl’s dad]

I believe it was 23 actually.

And another point about Holy, cruiser was 190 then. It wasn't 200 lbs until 2003.

I know I am nitpicking but just trying to be factual.

I suppose I could look this up, but I trust my knowledge on the fly.

I'm not sure of the year change, but I do know for a fact it was 190 limit.

I know that because I thought it was weird that it wasn't just an even 200.

[Vasyl’s dad]

Just checked and it' 25.

The point of this thread is not to say Haye is the best fighter ever, it is to try and show morons that call Haye a bum and overhyped that what he has done in is short career is pretty impressive.

Not with 8 champs in each division.

Not that big of a deal at all to be honest.

[$partacus]

ahh! now i see it! valuev wasnt hurt by haye! i originally though that valuev was simply off-balance and his tiredness made his little stumble look worse.

now, thanks to looking at it carefull, as that six shooter poster has as a sig, i see that valuev almost twisted his leg when he stepped back. watch valev's back leg as he steps back and u can see he almost rolls his ankle. so that is why he looked like he stumbled from a punch! very clear now!
i was close though.

btw, watch his left leg, that is the one that steps back. then watch how he reacts immediately after picking his leg up. i learn human mechanics as part of medical school and my own training. i recognize a near twisted leg when i see one.

Did that also cause the spit to come dripping out of his mouth?